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The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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> If we do Open Source Hiri, there is nothing to stop someone from forking it and selling it for less /offering it for free. Your license can easily stop that in a way that still respects user freedom. Even more than GPL does.

An Open Source license cannot limit for what purpose the software will be used.

There's a substantial amount of legal complexity (and writing) about what exactly constitutes "used" in this case.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it but I'm not sure what you're trying to say really. Sure, there are people like Stallman, there are others who are more 'pragmatic'. World keeps turning. Do your thing. See how that plays out for you.

Key point is this: If more Linux people embraced proprietary software it would help spread Linux. Simple as that really. As a proprietary app, we have encountered quite a bit of resistance from Linux users, usually berating us for not being open source. I think that's short sighted. We need more pragmatists.

Some people do not care about "spreading" anything. For many people proprietary software is just unacceptable on principle, just like selling food without giving the list of ingredients.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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Ignore the naysayers. I loathe having to trust proprietary software for anything critical or anything I want control over, but there are things for which proprietary software got my money... So focus on your market segment - elsewhere, as all producers know, there will always be a chorus of negativity that you are better off ignoring.

Interesting. Do you mind if I ask what software (or category) have you bought if you don't trust proprietary software?

For me, I'll use the best tool for the job, whether it's FOSS or not. If someone built a great FOSS DAW, then I would definitely switch away from Ableton, Reaper, Logic etc. Until then, I'll use whatever gets the job done in the best way possible. It isn't necessarily about trust.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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The post essentially lacks any actual arguments addressing the position of the other side and is based on a fallacy.

The position of Stallmann is "the long-term societal costs of using proprietary software outweigh the short-term benefits in most cases". "Using proprietary software has short term benefits" simply does not address that position.

The fallacy is in equating fundamentalism and extremism and a strong conviction.

Having a strong conviction that democracy is a better form of government than dictatorship, and holding to that even tough democracy certainly has its costs and disadvantages doesn't make you a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist is someone who is unwilling to consider the evidence that their position is wrong. Weighing long-term costs against short-term benefits does not make you a fundamentalist.

Extremism on the other hand is a completely useless term. Being extreme simply means that you are far away from the mainstream. People who work for free and fair elections in China are extremists. The only reason why "Extreme opinions are rarely correct" is kinda true is because the author is lucky to live in a place where, generally speaking, extreme opinions that are a good idea do become adopted into the mainstream sooner or later and thus are no longer extreme. For one, that isn't true everywhere, and, maybe more importantly, you don't ever get those good idea adopted into the mainstream if you reject them "because they are extreme".

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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I assume that this is the "offending" thread on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/promos/comments/56ymfc/hey_linux_pe...

Quotes: “This is going to be a very hard sell being a proprietary closed source system to Linux users, many use Linux because they have bought into the idea of open source. Good luck with it anyway” “If it were FOSS, I would have downloaded it and compiled it 20 minutes ago.”

Is that it? The rest of the thread seems pretty mild and politely interested. This was two years ago and I think I'd be over it by now.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You did read the section "Maybe you also dislike the fact that my project is not open source" right?

Yes, it's a small part that provides "I think I can't make it" as the only argument. That doesn't really bring anything into the discussion.

Before, you said "completely irrelevant", now you say "small part". Which is it?

The article mentions and thus applies to both libre vs proprietary and gratis vs paid. And it is definitely meant to apply to both.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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Ignore the naysayers. I loathe having to trust proprietary software for anything critical or anything I want control over, but there are things for which proprietary software got my money... So focus on your market segment - elsewhere, as all producers know, there will always be a chorus of negativity that you are better off ignoring.

Interesting. Do you mind if I ask what software (or category) have you bought if you don't trust proprietary software?

I'm not sure what the parent had on their mind, but the majority of people are forced to buy proprietary software coming bundled with hardware, like the BIOS, CPU microcode, graphics or network card firmware.

Re: The fundamentalist FOSS mentality

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> Extreme opinions are rarely correct. this is the only thing I agree with. some things should never be kept propietary unless there are widely availabe (FOSS) tools to reverse engineer them.

> Extreme opinions are rarely correct. That is definitely an opinion. If you look throughout history it is clearly evident that extreme opinions were often right (No men have a god given right to rule. Consciousness is material. Other people have a right over their body. Etc.) The "wise" centric position might sound nice, but it is often just a mix of conformity and a weak imagination.
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