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Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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Think about a police department or intelligence agency who can make you disappear anytime they want, without needing to devote manpower or risk lives at the task. Disturbingly dystopian.

Think about a black-hat hacker who can have a side gig making sweet ransom money by kidnapping you or your child from a thousand miles away. Aggressively anarchistic.

Think about a rogue employee who works for Tesla or someone and has legit access to the tech, and knows the GPS coordinates of the nearest body of water. Maniacally murderous.

Think about a terrorist group whose only objective is to cause as much damage as possible, and figures out how to access the whole fleet of vehicles at once. Grandly genocidal.

Self-driving cars are downright terrifying.

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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Think about a police department or intelligence agency who can make you disappear anytime they want, without needing to devote manpower or risk lives at the task. Disturbingly dystopian. Think about a black-hat hacker who can have a side gig making sweet ransom money by kidnapping you or your child from a thousand miles away. Aggressively anarchistic. Think about a rogue employee who works for Tesla or someone and ha…

I think you mean humans are downright terrifying, and self-driving cars don't need remote controls.

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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Think about a police department or intelligence agency who can make you disappear anytime they want, without needing to devote manpower or risk lives at the task. Disturbingly dystopian. Think about a black-hat hacker who can have a side gig making sweet ransom money by kidnapping you or your child from a thousand miles away. Aggressively anarchistic. Think about a rogue employee who works for Tesla or someone and ha…

I think you mean humans are downright terrifying, and self-driving cars don't need remote controls.

Whether it is self-driving or not, should not need remote controls.

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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- if the thief is inside he will remain locked inside until police can arrest them. Right, they'll just sit there patiently instead of kicking out the window at the next set of lights.

Or have the car rendezvous with the nearest police car which wouldn't probably leave the thief time enough to exit.

Even if he successfully gets away how likely is he then to steal another Tesla?

Even if a hacker sells them a zero day hack then it will only last a single day before Tesla updates its entire fleet.

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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> “The police tested several cars; Tesla, Audi, Mercedes, and Toyota,” he continues. “We do this in collaboration with these car companies because this information is valuable to them, too. If we can hack into their cars, others can as well.”

At least they have the right attitude about it, as opposed to "Don't worry, only we can hack it, you can trust us!"

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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- if the thief is inside he will remain locked inside until police can arrest them. Right, they'll just sit there patiently instead of kicking out the window at the next set of lights.

I've thought about the idea of a "lock the thief inside" kind of alarm system, but you're right. How do you stop them jumping out?

I've also thought of this.

1. Lock doors, secure windows.

2. 100% throttle

3. after 15 seconds, 100% steer left

Of course, there are certain... moral issues... surrounding this idea which have prevented it leaving the notes on a napkin stage.

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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post #6

- if the thief is inside he will remain locked inside until police can arrest them. Right, they'll just sit there patiently instead of kicking out the window at the next set of lights.

Or have the car rendezvous with the nearest police car which wouldn't probably leave the thief time enough to exit. Even if he successfully gets away how likely is he then to steal another Tesla? Even if a hacker sells them a zero day hack then it will only last a single day before Tesla updates its entire fleet.

imagine a kid locked in a toasty car for a whole day before the update gets deployed

Re: Police Can Remotely Drive Your Stolen Tesla into Custody

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And that is why we should never buy internet connected devices without having root on them. The potential for abuse is staggering. I think that we need to start seriously thinking about what is ownership when something has software inside.

Because - well if the property can drive ifself - it is not really a theft. But also is not really ownership.

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