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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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It sorta is, via ad targeting.

No it isn't. It's the difference between "Here's some money, please show this to young Democrats" and "Here's some money, please give me a list of young Democrats." That's a pretty damn big difference.

The line blurs a bit when it's "Here's some money, please show this specific link with a bunch of tracking methods to young Democrats in a 50 mile radius of who recently bought a car and have a credit card balance >$10k".

https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2497941?hl=en

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Heh,google's entire business model is sharing your data with third parties. Is it better because they filter out some details?

Also,Chrome might be more secure from a vulnerability point of view but browser exploits(exploit kits) are not a very common means of deploying malware these days. They tend to focus on IE and flash these days: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/threat-analysis/2018/03/exploi...

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Have you given Firefox another shot during the past year? I agree that it used to be terrible, (as in bloated and buggy and slow) but the work they've been doing with servo and quantum has really, really paid off. It really is a whole new experience.

I don't do webdev, so I can't really comment about that. I agree wrt edge being terrible and not being willing to pay Apple prices.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #53

Can't ProtonMail just solve this with a meta tag...?

I don't think that's the point. The problem here is that we seem ro forget that by using Chrome, Google has direct access to absolutely everything we do on the internet.

Go to https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity and you will see all the things they track. It's bizarre.

The one that pisses me off the most is that they track the apps that I open by binary name and I own an iPhone and use Safari. I don't even know how the fuck they do that.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

Maybe over-complicating things is a way of eliminating competition from Google. If it wasn't so complicated, someone could easily offer a competing, privacy-oriented browser; which Google would not like-- so make it so hideously complex no one can do it without $50 mil? There would be more innovation if things were simple, because anyone with a good idea could contribute.

This sort of happened when the WHATWG effectively wrested control of HTML away from the W3C (although Google was not a founding member, they are one of the Steering Members now). https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/when-standards-divide/

The membership of the W3C supported XHTML, to improve interoperability among other reasons. Apple, Mozilla and Opera had a different vision and broke away and formed the WHATWG which Google and Microsoft later joined. Those companies (minus Opera) now have near total control over HTML and the W3C just rubber stamps whatever they decide.

(Note: I don't believe the participants in WHATWG were doing what they did for anti-competitive purposes, but in hindsight it had that effect.)

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #52
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend to my non-IT friends and family that they should use gmail and chrome because they use Windows and Google's security is fantastic. Sure there is a compromise. Google are using private information for advertising but (1) Google doesn't have a history of sharing PII with third parties and (2) Google are very good at keeping information and passwords secure. Many of my non-tech friends and family use Android…

Heh,google's entire business model is sharing your data with third parties. Is it better because they filter out some details? Also,Chrome might be more secure from a vulnerability point of view but browser exploits(exploit kits) are not a very common means of deploying malware these days. They tend to focus on IE and flash these days: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/threat-analysis/2018/03/exploi...

Can you point to some links on Google sharing data with third parties? AFAIK they don't share any data. You want to target a certain demographic they will target for you but they won't pass on the data. They keep the data internal.

If you install some 3rd party app and give that app permission to access your data they'll give that app the access you requested them to give but otherwise no sharing AFAIK.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sorta is, via ad targeting.

No it isn't. It's the difference between "Here's some money, please show this to young Democrats" and "Here's some money, please give me a list of young Democrats." That's a pretty damn big difference.

But you do get a sample of that list when your ads convert.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #30

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This is true, but a web browser can't really make those choices without a breaking a lot existing stuff. The big problem is that we keep piling onto HTML, CSS, and JS. For instance if we wanted web apps it would have been better to make something separate. Instead we have taken HTML which was originally just a way of rich text formatting and have made into the beast that it is today.

I wish Google Search would create an HTML5 subset for documents that would boost rankings if used. A good majority of search results I am looking for should be simple single page HTML documents that don't use complex HTML5 features that are needed for web apps. Change ranking, and you give websites the incentive to avoid JavaScript or CSS features that are against the reader's interests.

I'm 80% sure you're joking, but just in case, this is essentially what AMP does.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #53

Can't ProtonMail just solve this with a meta tag...?

I don't think that's the point. The problem here is that we seem ro forget that by using Chrome, Google has direct access to absolutely everything we do on the internet. Go to https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity and you will see all the things they track. It's bizarre. The one that pisses me off the most is that they track the apps that I open by binary name and I own an iPhone and use Safari. I don't even know…

I'm heavily into Google and have 2 Macs and 4 iOS devices all signed in using Google apps. I don't see any iOS app activity in that link you posted except Chrome and Google Maps. Can you tell me where I can find other iOS app activity you mentioned?
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