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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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If you care about privacy, you really shouldn’t be using a browser that was created by a company that makes its money by learning everything about you and reselling it to the highest bidder.

> and reselling it to the highest bidder. This isn't a thing that Google does

It sorta is, via ad targeting.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #17

If you care about privacy, you really shouldn’t be using a browser that was created by a company that makes its money by learning everything about you and reselling it to the highest bidder.

> and reselling it to the highest bidder. This isn't a thing that Google does

No, they monetize it right there in house. Doesn’t change a thing.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and reselling it to the highest bidder. This isn't a thing that Google does

It sorta is, via ad targeting.

No it isn't. It's the difference between "Here's some money, please show this to young Democrats" and "Here's some money, please give me a list of young Democrats." That's a pretty damn big difference.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. The amount of blind trust that people - including very technical people - gift to Google is rather shocking.

You might trust someone with one thing but not with the other thing. A question "do you trust them?" out of context is not specific enough.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Firefox since version 1.0. I don't understand the desire to use google's browser. However, why would even trying view secure data in your web-browser... Not even just Chrome. Things may get cached ect... Although, Mozilla has been doing things that I find annoying at times. Like adding pocket ect... Little Rant Although, I have looked at some of the other forks. What I find more depressing is how fe…

"It's a sign that web standards are getting too complicated." Is there precedent for standards significantly simplifying over time, or do they always tend to get more and more complex?

What frequently happens is that a simplified alternative appears.

HTML5 rather than XHTML, Markdown vs. HTML or LaTeX, HTML, originally, vs. SGML or Sun's ... proprietary hypertext system (Vue?).

Arguably, replacement of much office suite software with Web technologies.

Multics -> Unix.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

#27
post #11

I just don't understand how so many people in the HN community, who are so vocal about privacy, turn around and use Chrome. Don't feed the beast.

The same reason that so many of them continue working for companies that blatantly violate principles they claim are important to them (privacy, open-source, anti-advertising, etc.): It's easy to be vocal about principles, but when it comes down to it, very few people are actually willing to impact their own comfort or convenience to truly follow them. It's simpler to just come up with a reasonable-seeming justificat…

> willing to impact their own comfort or convenience to truly follow them.

*method of survival.

You can "stand up for your principles", or you can not be an ideologue, survive, and live to fight another day making progress and positive change along the way. Full stop boycott stops nothing. Changing from within is the most effective. Instead of posting shame-inducing posts like this, labeling people and assuming the worst, try assuming the best, encourage them to take actions to increase privacy and increase security. I work in that field, and when my own principles are violated, I speak out. I guarantee that changes more than people shaming others on social media. Advertising and Data collection have about as much as a chance of stopping as world governments agreeing to stop producing bullets, so let's try to make it as ethical as we can.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's a sign that web standards are getting too complicated." Is there precedent for standards significantly simplifying over time, or do they always tend to get more and more complex?

What frequently happens is that a simplified alternative appears. HTML5 rather than XHTML, Markdown vs. HTML or LaTeX, HTML, originally, vs. SGML or Sun's ... proprietary hypertext system (Vue?). Arguably, replacement of much office suite software with Web technologies. Multics -> Unix.

This is true, but a web browser can't really make those choices without a breaking a lot existing stuff. The big problem is that we keep piling onto HTML, CSS, and JS. For instance if we wanted web apps it would have been better to make something separate. Instead we have taken HTML which was originally just a way of rich text formatting and have made into the beast that it is today.
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