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Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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Re: Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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Post by Barrin92 »

lupire wrote: post #6

The author almost noticed Simpson's paradox: > Surprisingly, the UC Santa Cruz study suggests that employment in low wage industries is growing. The share of worker in jobs considered low-wage in 1997 grew 25 percent over the next 20 years, while the percent working in middle- and high-wage jobs declined. The problem isn't that wages are dropping for certain work; the problem is that middle-wage jobs are being automa…

the jobs that are mentioned in the article that are being hit the hardest are teachers, firefighters, caretakers and so forth. How many of those have been automated away?

It seems that tech workers in the valley have found their own analog to blaming immigrants for downward wage pressure, their particular boogeyman seems to be the robots.

No, the answer is much more trivial. As the article points out, the huge influx of capital in the area is being returned only to the tech sector, who merrily spend it and drive up the cost of living. The machines are not to blame for this one.

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Post by claydavisss »

flukus wrote: post #20
claydavisss wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little trollish, but now that Democrats have a veto-proof majority (meaning Gavin Newsom is really just a spokesperson, his opinion is irrelevant, he cannot veto legislation), Californians only have one party to ask why the State is the way it is....the #1 poverty State. Not only can Californians no longer blame Republicans (there basically aren't any left in the State), they can't even blame the Governor...he is t…

> Not only can Californians no longer blame Republicans Assuming republicans are at fault (I know nothing of California state politics, so not taking a side here) it will take years to decades to move beyond any damage their policies caused. Politicians aren't free of blame they day they're voted out.

Well, you are right about one thing - you know nothing of the State politics

Democrats have had a virtual lock on this State for at least five years. So much so that their primary nemesis was their own moderate Governor, Jerry Brown. Think about that - conservatives had been so utterly decimated that the only thing standing in the way of the State legislature was a Governor from their own party.

They have a pliant Governor now but it is irrelevant - he can't even veto their bills anymore. He's a hood ornament and he knows it.

And astoundingly, outrageously, you actually think State Republicans, who have basically been an endangered species for years...are actually to blame. Wow. As it stands the last Republican Governor of the State was basically a Democrat anyway. But sure, maybe its all Pete Wilson's fault.

Re: Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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Post by foota »

dahdum wrote: post #11
kuyaab wrote: post #3

It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities, but the high cost of living makes that hardly enough.

I think hardly enough is quite an understatement.

Re: Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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Post by hazz99 »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #2

Surprised? I'm not. Capitalists are well known to conspire together and create capitalist unions to block workers of all stripes. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/technology/silicon-valley... Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe in this one.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... Adobe, Apple Inc., Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay here. https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/ftc-brin…

Edit: I'm not a mod, nor trying to masquerade as one.

> Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity [0]

Please keep your ideological battles away from HN.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by vernie »

claydavisss wrote: post #22
flukus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not only can Californians no longer blame Republicans Assuming republicans are at fault (I know nothing of California state politics, so not taking a side here) it will take years to decades to move beyond any damage their policies caused. Politicians aren't free of blame they day they're voted out.

Well, you are right about one thing - you know nothing of the State politics Democrats have had a virtual lock on this State for at least five years. So much so that their primary nemesis was their own moderate Governor, Jerry Brown. Think about that - conservatives had been so utterly decimated that the only thing standing in the way of the State legislature was a Governor from their own party. They have a pliant Go…

Take a breath.

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Post by Aeolun »

foota wrote: post #23
dahdum wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities, but the high cost of living makes that hardly enough.

I think hardly enough is quite an understatement.

You can get very close to making about half of what you need to live!

Re: Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

hazz99 wrote: post #25
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #2

Surprised? I'm not. Capitalists are well known to conspire together and create capitalist unions to block workers of all stripes. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/technology/silicon-valley... Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe in this one.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... Adobe, Apple Inc., Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay here. https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/ftc-brin…

Edit: I'm not a mod, nor trying to masquerade as one. > Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity [0] Please keep your ideological battles away from HN. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Rather than threats, I'd like to hear commentary. If anyone's "destroy[ying] intellectual curiosity", its the one threatening bans.

I've made a point, from multiple sources, that SV major players are retarding salaries from all but the C-level positions. Considering that YC is in that area, it would be a rather interesting discussion to hear from the VC's vs workers vs founders.

But, threats.

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