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Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

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It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities, but the high cost of living makes that hardly enough.

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It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

Mike Rowe isn’t talking about unskilled labor. He’s talking about skilled labor like plumbing, carpentry, welding, electricians, etc. Not a stock boy and the like.

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It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities, but the high cost of living makes that hardly enough.

> There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities

“Many” may be an exaggeration: Berkeley, Emeryville, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, and San Francisco.

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It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

They're trapped - probably unable to even scrape together the money to move. Moving is expensive! You need the money not only to relocate, but also to tide you over until you find work. Casual mobility is for the wealthy.

It isn't just that, many low wage people have their families there. Sometimes extended family. Moving would mean moving the whole clan away from friends and their connections and where they grew up. Moving is not a small thing.

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The author almost noticed Simpson's paradox: > Surprisingly, the UC Santa Cruz study suggests that employment in low wage industries is growing. The share of worker in jobs considered low-wage in 1997 grew 25 percent over the next 20 years, while the percent working in middle- and high-wage jobs declined. The problem isn't that wages are dropping for certain work; the problem is that middle-wage jobs are being automa…

> low-skill but non-automatable jobs that require organically-optimized things that all people have but machines don't, like fingers and eyes.

Machines already have those. They're just more costly and clunky than humans, often by a relatively small margin.

Anyone thinking low-skilled / low-paid jobs are not automatable is deluding themselves.

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It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.

They're trapped - probably unable to even scrape together the money to move. Moving is expensive! You need the money not only to relocate, but also to tide you over until you find work. Casual mobility is for the wealthy.

henry george strikes again!

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Surprised? I'm not. Capitalists are well known to conspire together and create capitalist unions to block workers of all stripes. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/technology/silicon-valley... Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe in this one.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... Adobe, Apple Inc., Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay here. https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/ftc-brin…

I'm sure you'll get downvoted to kingdom come, but I actually checked out the included links - interesting stuff

> I'm sure you'll get downvoted to kingdom come, but I actually checked out the included links - interesting stuff

Oh, indeed I shall. Still, we're sold a bundle of goods by the capitalists that "unions are evil" and et cetera, yet when when it is advantageous to the very capitalists, they form unions of their own to hold down the very workers' wages.

Now, some unions do indeed suck. They were ineffective and only lacklusterly fought for employee rights. Yet, many demanded fair compensation and safe working conditions. And with companies forming unions, are pushing both of those down.

Look at FAANG on glassdoor and news websites. They're no rosy pictures, unless you're in ML at the top. But that price bump is just temporary. It'll come down in time.

What I'd hope is that tech realizes that the capitalists are treating us IT people as yet more line workers. Where once we had rooms, they dissolved to cubicles. From cubicles, we only wish we had them as now it is "open office" concepts. Insurance premiums keep going up, and compensation keeps lowering. And with more automation, the demand for more work skyrockets. 'Fire 2 and let the 3rd take over'. Ive read those stories again and again.

IT needs unions, now more than ever. It is the only counteracting force when 'They' (capitalists) are indeed out to get us.

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As someone who lives in the outer bay area, pay for jobs hasn't really gone up at all in the last 8 years, but the tech industry has really pushed the cost of living up a lot. I can't say I've noticed a drop in pay outside of the media industry since that's what I work in. And a lot of that has to do with the cost of gear now and the supply is so high buy the demand hasn't grown that much.

Most of my neighbors are contractors / construction workers. Nobody I know can fathom buying a home. But until last year things were fairly stagnant for them. There is a lot more construction going on now, but it's mostly to turn homes we can't afford into vacation rentals.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities, but the high cost of living makes that hardly enough.

> There is a minimum wage of $15 in many of the cities “Many” may be an exaggeration: Berkeley, Emeryville, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, and San Francisco.

Fair enough...I've pretty much only lived/worked in SF and MV/SV/SC so my perspective is centered around them.

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Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi and company keep on taxing to support inefficient bureaucracy

A little trollish, but now that Democrats have a veto-proof majority (meaning Gavin Newsom is really just a spokesperson, his opinion is irrelevant, he cannot veto legislation), Californians only have one party to ask why the State is the way it is....the #1 poverty State. Not only can Californians no longer blame Republicans (there basically aren't any left in the State), they can't even blame the Governor...he is t…

> Not only can Californians no longer blame Republicans

Assuming republicans are at fault (I know nothing of California state politics, so not taking a side here) it will take years to decades to move beyond any damage their policies caused. Politicians aren't free of blame they day they're voted out.

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