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Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by xref » Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 8:54 AM UTC

qaminsod wrote: post #77

nikanj wrote: post #20

I feel like it's a false analogy to compare Spotify Streams to CD sales. For a fairer comparison, you should measure against something more ephemeral. The biggest radio channels in the US have a few million listeners each. Let's say your record does ok, and gets airtime on a few second-tier radio stations. For easy math, let's do 20 plays * 50,000 listeners per play. This also gives you a total of one million listens…

Spotify is closer to CDs than radio because you can play any song you want whenever you want at a quality similar to CDs.

I'm excited to sell all my Spotify albums on eBay then, I guess?

Trying to stuff the new-world of streaming into the old-world boxes of CD or Radio just doesn't work. the world changed.

Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by oliwarner » Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:47 PM UTC

Compare that to radio royalties.

In the UK BBC Radio 2 pays £100/minute in combined songwriter-performer royalties. For 10 million listeners.

£300 a song. £0.003 per "stream".

Spotify is already paying above radio rates.

Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by bjelkeman-again » Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 11:14 PM UTC

fenwick67 wrote: post #31

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But many people use YouTube as their music jukebox. Why is it that Google should pay significantly less for this?

For one, an average YouTube video is more expensive to stream than just audio

But even if I put up a static image with the audit the artist get way less from YouTube than from Spotify. I don’t see why that should be the case.

Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by timeseries2018 » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:02 AM UTC

stdclass wrote: post #45

As an artist with 250k streams myself, I don't really think that you should directly compare it to CD sales etc. If you compare it like this: a single play on a popular radio show can get you 250k listeners and you get payed well below 50$ per play. So getting a couple grand for 1mio plays vs. ~250$ for some airtime on the radio seems like a decent deal to me.

>> you get payed

you get paid

Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by qaminsod » Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 10:49 PM UTC

xref wrote: post #81

qaminsod wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify is closer to CDs than radio because you can play any song you want whenever you want at a quality similar to CDs.

I'm excited to sell all my Spotify albums on eBay then, I guess? Trying to stuff the new-world of streaming into the old-world boxes of CD or Radio just doesn't work. the world changed.

That's why I pirate all my music.

Re: My Band Has 1M Spotify Streams. Want to See Our Royalties? (2016)

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Post by malcolmgreaves » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 7:27 PM UTC

jondubois wrote: post #53

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment has nothing to do with this post. And you come off as a total asshole. Did you read it? The post is about Spotify underpaying artists for their work, which many people (1M+) enjoy. Yours is about a hobby that you do for your own enjoyment. Anyone else read it? Anything close to 1M readers?.

Publishing blog articles and publishing music or videos are all similar in terms of monetization. Some people will produce music for free and you have to compete with them. It's not unusual to get hundreds of thousands or even millions of views and get very little out of it financially.

> Some people will produce music for free and you have to compete with them.

Professional quality is nearly always significantly better than amateur quality. Ya get what ya pay for.

This whole post is about professionals making a living from their craft. And we're all ok with the distributor, the middle man, Spotify, raking in more money than the content creators. That's my big beef: Spotify is getting their slice from the artist's pockets when they're already not getting enough for their work.