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Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true for every minority everywhere - for ethnic, religious and as you mentioned sexual minorities. The threat that the majority would turn the tables on you is always a future threat.

It's a matter of degree surely. There are plenty of places in the world where a straight, white Westerner can live as a minority with relatively little fear of violence. Almost none for a gay person.

Only because he is perceived as rich and cool.

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post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

> cis-gendered

Not to take anything away from your point, but if you mean white males, then why not say so? And what do I (a white male) have to do with any of this? Should I feel guilty now?

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

> cis-gendered Not to take anything away from your point, but if you mean white males, then why not say so? And what do I (a white male) have to do with any of this? Should I feel guilty now?

"cis-gendered" just means "same gender identity as birth" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Nothing to do with white or male.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

> cis-gendered Not to take anything away from your point, but if you mean white males, then why not say so? And what do I (a white male) have to do with any of this? Should I feel guilty now?

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Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

What you're saying may well be true, but it has no bearing on the case in this article. Based on the article, it appears that the author wasn't jailed for writing gay sex scenes, but rather for selling books with sex scenes of any kind . Apparently China has a law against selling pornographic books of any kind, and this author ran afoul of it.

Said laws are likely made to be enforced selectively when a distraction is needed or a pretext. One naughty book in a library and you have something to vilify that troublesome bookseller over.

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Censorship of erotic material isn't a purely Chinese thing, other countries practice it at smaller scales. In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. That's not to say that…

I would contend that there can be harms involved even with porn that you might consider harmless; harms such as addiction, damaged relationships, objectification of partners. Porn can damage minds.

That is quite a monoatomically smooth polished and lubricated slope there. Truthful descriptions of somebody's past actions can damage relationships. Pointing out that your partner sleeps with someone else on every business trip can. Should telling you that your partner is cheating on you be a felony then? Should history books be banned because some get the completely wrong message and idolize Hitler and Stalin? And how does one define damage to the mind anyway?

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Censorship of erotic material isn't a purely Chinese thing, other countries practice it at smaller scales. In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. That's not to say that…

Likely it is over being taken as whataboutism - pointing out shitty behavior of others taken as a defense via deflection instead of a "be vigilant against it elsewhere" message.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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Censorship of erotic material isn't a purely Chinese thing, other countries practice it at smaller scales. In England, various fictional artworks can be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications act, even possession of some cartoon pornography can be prosecuted under CAJA 2009 s.63. To the dismay of LGBTQ+ and sexual freedom campaigners, even possession of simulated rape pornography is illegal. That's not to say that…

Are you completely sure you want to use CAJA 2009 as your example? On the subject of pornography, that Act only covers images of sex with children (or images of children witnessing bestiality).

I presume you have some justification for asserting that LGBTQ+ campaigners had issues with that part of the Act because that's a pretty provocative assertion. My recollection (and the only evidence I can find from searching) is some concern from graphic novelists and their publishers that's proved baseless.

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post #26
post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

How do you explain the extremely high domestic violence rates amongst gay couples? It might be higher than Hetero couples. It seems gay is not even safe with gay.

Source please? I’ve never heard this.

Re: Chinese erotic writer jailed for more than 10 years over gay sex scenes in novel

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post #2

Its not safe to be queer. There are broad societal protection that one loses out on the second they aren't straight acting and cis-gendered, all it takes is a shift in the political winds for governments to start rounding up any class or minority they don't like. There are "safer" places in the world to be queer, but the threat of danger and violence never goes away, even in gayborhoods like here in parts of Seattle.

> cis-gendered Not to take anything away from your point, but if you mean white males, then why not say so? And what do I (a white male) have to do with any of this? Should I feel guilty now?

Nobody is implying that you should feel guilty, it was just an observation.
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