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The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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It makes me wonder what other legacy telecom systems are still in use somewhere.

Are there any public X25 networks still in use? What about telex? Telex over HF? Inmarsat C? Any X400 gateways still running? Can you still send a UUCP mail?

This kind of digital archaeology has a strange fascination to it.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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IT Manager of a large medical centre in Australia here. I've been spending quite a lot of time trying to minimise the number of faxes we send and receive but there's only so far I can go. Email and fax-to-email services are generally frowned upon by the relevant medical accreditation boards, as they consider these to be insecure unless PGP is used. Email addresses have the ease of use and interoperability that fax nu…

Doesn't Medical Objects try to end this insanity without email or fax involved? Or are they the ones with email+PGP in the background?

They are just one of the 3 big providers. Argus is the PGP one I am most familiar with.

I don't know a lot about the inner workings of Medical Objects or the third one, HealthLink. I just hope their interoperability discussions end up being fruitful.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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post #72

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Doesn't Medical Objects try to end this insanity without email or fax involved? Or are they the ones with email+PGP in the background?

They are just one of the 3 big providers. Argus is the PGP one I am most familiar with. I don't know a lot about the inner workings of Medical Objects or the third one, HealthLink. I just hope their interoperability discussions end up being fruitful.

Would be great. Whatever they achieve, it will still be better than letters from one GP to another: we use BP, please send us the patients data in xml format. (Which may or may not load depending on what the other side uses)

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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I use PGP, but it is a pain in the ass to use, severely stunting its usr. Normal people can't effectively use PGP without significant training, hence no one outside some DMCA notice bots using PGP in production for the common person to see. Even Riot with its fucked up key mismanagement is easier to use as a normie than PGP, though its looking like Riot will fix most of those trusted key management issues soon with t…

PGP isn't that hard to learn, and 20 years ago when the main form of online messaging was email, using a desktop email client, it was easier. It would be considerably harder now with everyone communicating in walled-garden platforms. I think we really missed an opportunity, and I don't see a way forward to a world where PGP keys are a widely-used basis for security communication and verifying identity online.

Key strokes required. Everyone taps today. Tapping input on a device is horribly inefficient.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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post #49

IT Manager of a large medical centre in Australia here. I've been spending quite a lot of time trying to minimise the number of faxes we send and receive but there's only so far I can go. Email and fax-to-email services are generally frowned upon by the relevant medical accreditation boards, as they consider these to be insecure unless PGP is used. Email addresses have the ease of use and interoperability that fax nu…

Why not have an official secure data exchange layer, so that when one hospital wants to talk to another one, they all do it using this secure channel, not by sending e-mails or faxes.

Like.. the one Estonia has and uses for all the government services, registries and hospitals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Road

Source: am Estonian.

So weird seeing other countries doing backwards things.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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I keep an account at Anveo for incoming and outgoing faxes. It's very cheap. $2/month, I think, if you just need a phone number that can send/receive faxes. There's a simple web interface to send a pdf as a fax.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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Inane bureaucracy and primadonna users make change difficult. Doctors can’t be bothered doing anything differently, and they often don’t work for the place they are providing service at, and don’t have reliable access to email. As doctors get swallowed up by medical networks/cartels, fax will shift to EMRs and patient portals that will leave you wishing for a fax machine.

> Doctors often don’t have reliable access to email. Why? It would be very unusual for a doctor in a wealthy country not to have a smartphone with service, or the ability to get one.

If you’re in a hospital, a doctor has privileges there, but is often not an employee.

You also have the scenario of unaffiliated doctors... your GP doesn’t work with your urologist, and they do not have a secure way to communicate.

It is possible to use things like Zix or other “secure” email solutions, but all are painful and all will vary from organization to organization.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PGP isn't that hard to learn, and 20 years ago when the main form of online messaging was email, using a desktop email client, it was easier. It would be considerably harder now with everyone communicating in walled-garden platforms. I think we really missed an opportunity, and I don't see a way forward to a world where PGP keys are a widely-used basis for security communication and verifying identity online.

Key strokes required. Everyone taps today. Tapping input on a device is horribly inefficient.

This is one of several reasons about 1998 would have been the right time to popularize it, not 2018.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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post #68

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HIPAA requires any email with patient data be encrypted. That kills any attempt to receive email on a smart phone.

[Repeat rant about people not adopting PGP when we've had it for 27 years] Nothing about a smartphone prevents email from being encrypted. The fact that nobody's sending encrypted email does, but that's a user adoption problem rather than a technical problem. The technical problem is solved, solved well, and has been solved for decades.

Encryption is easy. Key management is not. PGP is a lousy solution. Too difficult to use and sacrifices too much functionality.

The world needs something like iMessage but more open.

Re: The Fax Is Not Yet Obsolete

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPAA requires any email with patient data be encrypted. That kills any attempt to receive email on a smart phone.

[Repeat rant about people not adopting PGP when we've had it for 27 years] Nothing about a smartphone prevents email from being encrypted. The fact that nobody's sending encrypted email does, but that's a user adoption problem rather than a technical problem. The technical problem is solved, solved well, and has been solved for decades.

The bigger problem is that neither Apple nor Google have implemented device-local PGP encryption in their default email clients. Apple is one-step ahead and actually has had s/mime support for a while, but it really needs wide support on Android phones as well to become ubiquitous. It would set an implied standard for all other email apps on iOS and Android.
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