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Wow I can’t believe these guys are now the guys playing for the world championship. I remember playing Fabiano in the local chess park when he was like 14 :) They’ve come a long way indeed!
Did you win any game?
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A 100 ELO difference is about a player twice as stronger. With a 100 ELO difference, Stockfish would have won some games. 28Win 72Draw and O Loss in my opinion reflects at least 300 ELO (8 times stronger).
Elo is not a matter of opinion. There's a formula for it, and 28 wins, 72 draws and 0 losses represents almost exactly a 100 point Elo difference. https://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm
I guess that the spectacular 28-0 was somehow confusing my ELO opinion engine by concealing the fact that 72 draws are a lot more difficult to achieve than 12 draws (28-12-0 would have been a 300 ELO difference).
Considering AlphaZero was orders of magnitude stronger than stock fish, it would be interesting to see AlphaZero's analysis if it was available. Edit: Alphazero's record against Stock Fish is 28 wins, 72 ties and 0 losses. In a 100 game matchup, AlphaZero had 28 wins 72 draws and 0 losses. I'd classify that as orders of magnitude better. https://www.chess.com/news/view/google-s-alphazero-destroys-...
AlphaZero was playing Stockfish 8. This is done using Stockfish dev which is more than 110 ELO higher than Stockfish 8 (see https://github.com/glinscott/fishtest/wiki/Regression-Tests ) and higher than what was reported for AlphaZero. Check out the Leela project, which is trying to reproduce and improve the AlphaZero project to also beat Stockfish dev: http://lczero.org/ (at this point they are about equal with Stock…
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In a 100 game matchup, AlphaZero had 28 wins 72 draws and 0 losses. I'd classify that as orders of magnitude better. https://www.chess.com/news/view/google-s-alphazero-destroys-... But yeah, it would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of alphazero and stockfish's live analysis of these games.
Wasn't Stockfish crippled in that set of games? Such as no opening book, which would give a computer like AlphaZero an initial advantage? And a relatively weak CPU setup, compared to the massive computer AlphaZero used?
> AlphaZero compensates for the lower number of evaluations by using its deep neural network to focus much more selectively on the most promising variation [1]
Even if you compare CPU to GPU by price, and not speed, it seems pretty even. It clearly has to sacrifice speed by making more intelligent pruning decisions than stockfish.
1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero#AlphaZero_vs._Stockf...
2: https://sites.google.com/site/computerschess/stockfish9-benc...
3: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/9jyts8/rtx_2080_t...
On a side note: I think Pentagram did an amazing job with the WCC branding [1] in 2014. It's ridiculously non-conventional for a serious organization such as FIDE to adopt it. They did reject the proposal for Shuka Design for the new "pawnographic" (as it was hastagged on twitter) logo [2] for the 2018 championship and only kept the arms tangled up around a chess board. Still, its extraordinary and personally I love…
I'm glad they rejected the Shuka Design, that thing was over-designed and bad on so many levels. What is the version. What are you referring to by "only kept the arms tangled up"? I really like the ones from [1], now that's what I call great design.
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According to the ChessNetwork yt channel, Alpha zero does not consistently beat stockfish. But when it does, it does so in a very interesting manner.
AlphaZero draws a lot against Stockfish but Stockfish won ZERO games in their 100 game match up.
I dunno why AlphaGo devs would do that, aside from artificially gimping Stockfish on purpose.
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Chess, besides its usual characteristics it's known for, is an attack and dominance game. Women will naturally be less interested/good at that. The championships aren't male only (although there are female only championships).
Women aren't naturally less interested in or good at chess. There must be some other explanation for the top 90 chess players all being male.
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Wasn't Stockfish crippled in that set of games? Such as no opening book, which would give a computer like AlphaZero an initial advantage? And a relatively weak CPU setup, compared to the massive computer AlphaZero used?
So, 70 million nps or about ~3x 2950x threadrippers [2] is relatively weak cpu compared to 80 thousand nps or approximately 2x 2080tis [3] for Alphazero? > AlphaZero compensates for the lower number of evaluations by using its deep neural network to focus much more selectively on the most promising variation [1] Even if you compare CPU to GPU by price, and not speed, it seems pretty even. It clearly has to sacrifice…
The computer itself was strong. But the weird timing setup, the disabled databases (ie: both opening book AND endgame book was disabled. Stockfish normally plays PERFECTLY when the board is reduced to 6 pieces or less, as well as perfectly knows the winner / loser in every 6-piece setup. But that was disabled for the AlphaGo games)
Without the ability to run AlphaGo on our own and recreate the test, we have no way in knowing how AlphaGo would work under "fair" conditions.
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And btw: 1GB of RAM is a lulzy setup. You put all the CPU time you want, but gimping the RAM down to 1GB is... weird. Its a VERY suspect "test" that none of us can replicate.
Considering AlphaZero was orders of magnitude stronger than stock fish, it would be interesting to see AlphaZero's analysis if it was available. Edit: Alphazero's record against Stock Fish is 28 wins, 72 ties and 0 losses. In a 100 game matchup, AlphaZero had 28 wins 72 draws and 0 losses. I'd classify that as orders of magnitude better. https://www.chess.com/news/view/google-s-alphazero-destroys-...
Anybody have a suggestion for a site similar to this (engine analysis and all) but also with human commentary to explain things to those of us whose chess skill earlier stage?
Svidler and Grischuk at chess24.com are fantastic, but they're both world class players and beginners will find their commentary and analysis difficult to follow. I'd recommend chess.com - Danny Rensch and Robert Hess are a bit more accessible.