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China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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Re: China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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Well, one thing that is mentioned in the article, but deserves a lot more attention is IP theft. You should read about the chilling IP theft case of the bullet train where China pretended to contract Japan for the bullet train, but used it to steal their IP, patent it all and screw them over.

Here's a really good documentary on how much engineering went into Japan's bullet trains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4aaSzqT9s

To see all this being stolen by someone who just walked in, pretending to make a deal, is so painful.

Re: China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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post #2

Well, one thing that is mentioned in the article, but deserves a lot more attention is IP theft. You should read about the chilling IP theft case of the bullet train where China pretended to contract Japan for the bullet train, but used it to steal their IP, patent it all and screw them over. Here's a really good documentary on how much engineering went into Japan's bullet trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4a…

> To see all this being stolen by someone who just walked in, pretending to make a deal, is so painful.

I mean, if you want to talk about pain, a lot of Chinese people see Japan primarily as the country responsible for the Rape of Nanking [0], among other atrocities. It doesn't make IP theft justified, but it probably puts it into context for why the Chinese government, people, or companies would have very little compunction against doing it.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

EDIT - wow, people here really hate China. Is it so hard to see human factors affecting behaviors?

Re: China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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post #2

Well, one thing that is mentioned in the article, but deserves a lot more attention is IP theft. You should read about the chilling IP theft case of the bullet train where China pretended to contract Japan for the bullet train, but used it to steal their IP, patent it all and screw them over. Here's a really good documentary on how much engineering went into Japan's bullet trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4a…

> To see all this being stolen by someone who just walked in, pretending to make a deal, is so painful. I mean, if you want to talk about pain, a lot of Chinese people see Japan primarily as the country responsible for the Rape of Nanking [0], among other atrocities. It doesn't make IP theft justified, but it probably puts it into context for why the Chinese government, people, or companies would have very little com…

No, it doesn't. China steals everything worth stealing from anyone that has it.

Re: China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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post #2

Well, one thing that is mentioned in the article, but deserves a lot more attention is IP theft. You should read about the chilling IP theft case of the bullet train where China pretended to contract Japan for the bullet train, but used it to steal their IP, patent it all and screw them over. Here's a really good documentary on how much engineering went into Japan's bullet trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4a…

IP theft is an important part of the Chinese "Miracle" but it is short-sighted to focus too much on that...If IP access is all it took, I think we would have seen the Chinese achievement replicated in many other places.

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Very optimistic piece about the Chinese economy from a Chinese American who now resides in China. The author works for Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, whose company Amazon greatly benefits from China.

There is no doubt this is a piece that is trying to rally around a very unlikely scenario where the US administration will give into Chinese belligerence and back off on trade tariffs at the end of November when Trump and Xi meets - despite Trump, Pence, the current Trump administration, and even prominent Democrats' hardline against China. A trade war which the US is winning strongly.

A couple of things stands out from the article: reminiscience about the great Chinese growth in the last 30 years, and "The party appears to enjoy broad public support, and many around the world are convinced that Mr. Trump’s America is in retreat while China’s moment is just beginning." That last thing is the conclusion drawn out of nowhere, and very incorrect. US has been growing 4% this year, while every other major economies around the world has suffered. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/economy/economy-global-slowdo...

The author cleverly avoids talking about China's now: slumping economy, the ever increasing local government/corporate/personal debt, export falling 30% year-over-year in Guangdong, the top exporting province https://sinoinsider.com/2018/10/risk-watch-declining-export-..., potential tariff on all of China's import into US, the great military alliance between US, Japan, Australia, India and several other Southeast Asian countries against China in South Asia Sea, western ambassadors demanding answers to China's imprisonment of Muslim minority https://www.businessinsider.com/china-slams-western-ambassad..., and last, how private companies which drove the innovations in china are dying out to state enterprises https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-24/china-s-s....

EDIT: clarified author

Re: China Rules – The Land That Failed to Fail

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post #2

Well, one thing that is mentioned in the article, but deserves a lot more attention is IP theft. You should read about the chilling IP theft case of the bullet train where China pretended to contract Japan for the bullet train, but used it to steal their IP, patent it all and screw them over. Here's a really good documentary on how much engineering went into Japan's bullet trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4a…

> To see all this being stolen by someone who just walked in, pretending to make a deal, is so painful. I mean, if you want to talk about pain, a lot of Chinese people see Japan primarily as the country responsible for the Rape of Nanking [0], among other atrocities. It doesn't make IP theft justified, but it probably puts it into context for why the Chinese government, people, or companies would have very little com…

Oh come on. Chinese are known for stealing IP from everyone including other Chinese. They consider this an achievment.

They would have stolen the tech from anyone else, Japanese or not.

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