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How cities can fix tourism hell

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Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

How would you differentiate a local vs. a tourist? Edit: is that even legal?

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Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

How would you differentiate a local vs. a tourist? Edit: is that even legal?

In the US cities use things like hotel tax to target areas skewed towards tourist spending.

Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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back in the day, the number of hotel rooms in a city was capped to a reasonable number that was somewhat in line with the amount of available tourist services. Counting AirBnB listings towards the hotel cap would go a long ways to preventing "overtourism"

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

How would you differentiate a local vs. a tourist? Edit: is that even legal?

It's typically a tax on accommodation, rather than anything else.

Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

Part of it is also restricting location. Every large city has a tourist quarter that becomes devoid of everyday services for residents in favor of trinket shops and expensive, mediocre restaurants (e.g. Times Square in NYC). By introducing AirBnBs everywhere you run the risk of turning residential quarters into these dead zones. In contrast, hotels are very easy to restrict using zoning.

Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

> At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more?

Because that's really tricky to do without reducing the town to just tourism. Some people forget that in tourist towns there are also people who live, who have families and friends and some of their activities look very much like tourism.

Sure, you can try to do all kinds of things to work around this but ultimately the solution of taxing tourists does not work well in practice.

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

How would you differentiate a local vs. a tourist? Edit: is that even legal?

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Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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I work in urban planning and have to say theres a lot of empty puff that comes under 'smart cities'. Sensors and IoT can help with some things but are more about efficiency or informing of issues rather than solving the issues themselves. The title here is quite ridiculous for the articles content

>more about efficiency or informing of issues rather than solving the issues themselves Isn’t identifying issues a prerequisite for solving them?

Sure but many are reasonably well identified already. In a small town with a tourist event everyone knows which streets get full on which days already. And hotel managers will advise their customers what to do. Adding a network of sensors isnt going to change much in most of these scenarios.

Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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Can somebody explain what problems tourists are creating?

I live in Toronto and was surprised to hear that the population doubles during the summer, because of a large number of tourists.

Having spent most of my life here, and some of it right next to the biggest tourist attractions - I never thought any of it was a problem. It hasn't affected my quality of life in any way that I'm aware of.

Re: How cities can fix tourism hell

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At risk of being labeled a "neoliberal idealist," why isn't the answer here simply taxing tourists more? Pigovian taxes have been a thing for fifty years, yet they are still seldom used. It seems like such an obvious solution to me that the fact it's not used more often (ex: towns banning airbnb vs taxing it) suggests to me that I'm missing something obvious.

In the USA I think the general populace is tax averse. Passing a new tax even one that could arguably be good for the local population or region, is a good way to get unelected, even in very liberal states.

Local governments are incredibly susceptible to this, but it very clearly plays out nationally as well. The idea that government can “do good” in the USA is very co troversial at best.

This is a great article about it, as a simple litmus

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/business/economy/slipping...

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