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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Karunamon »

juststeve wrote: post #226
ip26 wrote: post #132

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Ten years ago I would not have said this, but Outlook is really pretty solid. Pretty fast, uses hardly any RAM, excellent Calendar integration (big deal for me), extremely flexible account setup. I swear half of the clients on the market turn out to support only a small list of authentication methods, or don't let you specify port! It is of course overkill though if you have one email account and only process a coupl…

Sorry, but Outlook 2016 is broken compared to 2013. I am forced to use it at work with exchage, and it has weird bugs that simply did not exist in the 2013 version. i still dont think it supports the iCalendar/calDAV standard either.

They support it, but in a very strange and broken way (lots of MS-specific fields with poor documentation). IIRC from my time trying to do appointment sending from line of business app, if you send someone an ICS attachment with the right MIME type, Outlook treats it as a regular appointment request.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by juststeve »

JorgeGT wrote: post #91
AsyncAwait wrote: post #28

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Get Linux for free, still don't get ads.

Ubuntu not only came (or still comes?) with an Amazon app right on the launcher, but also offered Amazon product suggestions when you were using the search function.

use debian, mint or arch

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

inetknght wrote: post #192
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #135

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Lots of things. They're basically the same walled garden you get from Apple, Google, or Microsoft, only with a different gardener. They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed, install applications to different disks, or often even get timely updates when a developer makes a change. I agree that "installers" are not a good paradigm either, but…

> They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed They actually do allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed. It's just difficult to get it to work. The package itself will install to (for example) /usr/bin. A new version of the package will have the same file names, so they get overwritten. Most well-built packages will allo…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't all of the dependencies also need to be installed to the same prefix? So I could end up with half the OS on there for one application?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #233
inetknght wrote: post #192

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> They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed They actually do allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed. It's just difficult to get it to work. The package itself will install to (for example) /usr/bin. A new version of the package will have the same file names, so they get overwritten. Most well-built packages will allo…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't all of the dependencies also need to be installed to the same prefix? So I could end up with half the OS on there for one application?

When you stray from the beaten PATH (and LD_LIBRARY_PATH) then yes you can start encountering trouble. Most good tools provide the options for you to do that. If you want to start building from scratch then `configure` and `make` often have PREFIX (and flavors such as BINPREFIX, LIBPREFIX, etc). `cmake` has similar variables to control where it looks for dependencies. Other languages' tools undoubtedly do too. I highly recommend you to read the documentation of the tools you use.

And when all else fails, there's docker.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by boznz »

chapium wrote: post #210
jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

You could always just use thunderbird and make a donation.

The last update changed the association of web email links back to microsoft mail, still cant figure out a way to change it back.. Why cant microsoft concentrate on security updates and leave the rest of my system the fuck alone.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by CyberDildonics »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
jimmies wrote: post #41

Anyone remembers just 5 years ago, Microsoft had a huge campaign about how everyone got "scroogled" by Google? Especially this ad about Google reading your mail to devliver you ads? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI1ominSL_c Oh, how the time has changed!

There is still no evidence that they are reading your emails so it's not the same. I am fine with ads, just as long as they don't mine my data and follow me around.

Really? You can do the experiment yourself by sending certain emails and eventually getting ads target off what words were in them. I don't think this was controversial.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by ppeetteerr »

I don't see a problem with this. People mention how you "pay" for windows, but the cost of windows is not a fixed price, it's a recurring price thanks to Microsoft's support system and backend services. Putting an ad into the email client is no different than what Google does, minus the small upfront cost that Windows charges. Don't want ads, pay for Outlook or use a Mac/Linux. Easy.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Dylan16807 »

wild_preference wrote: post #102
x0x0 wrote: post #66

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To be fair, the only serious competition for home users has laptops that (now) start at $1200, plus tax, applecare, and dongles (oh, you wanted a USB-A connection like basically every device in the world uses? Jony is about to courage your wallet. You want to be able to connect it to the odd tv via HDMI, what everything in the world uses? More courage!)... so basically $1500 to walk out the store. I'm aware you can g…

At the same time, how many cheap Windows laptops are only so cheap because they come with a lot of pre-installed bullshit? Also, 5 year old Air for $1k? That's almost how much they cost new. I'm seeing half that on Ebay/Craigslist. My sister has a new $450 Toshiba and my 5 year old Air runs much better. I got a new battery for it and gave it to her. Unfortunately you went way too far with your rant and buried your po…

> At the same time, how many cheap Windows laptops are only so cheap because they come with a lot of pre-installed bullshit?

I'm going to guess none. $30 of bloatware is extremely tempting when your profit margin is 4%, but it doesn't represent any meaningful savings.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #222
inetknght wrote: post #188

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> I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I really think your argument against package managers on Linux is incorrect. Many linux distributions provide "some recent version" of common tools, but of course you can get the latest package directly from the developers. Nothing stops you from getting the latest packages directly from the developer (assuming the developer provides…

Compiling most things is decidedly nontrivial. Half an hour of wasted time is not appropriate just to install something in a different directory. A package manager really should be able to do prefixed installs on any package, but that's far from a universal feature right now.

> Compiling most things is decidedly nontrivial.

I've spent the past five years building a lot of things from source. I agree that there are definitely a lot of things that it's nontrivial for. However, I've found that the hardest part is satisfying dependencies. Once dependencies are satisfied, building is usually really easy. And the software that isn't easy to build after satisfying dependencies is usually not worth building in the first place.

Of course, that's just my experience as a C++ developer.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by mynameisvlad »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #236
EduardoBautista wrote: post #75

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There is still no evidence that they are reading your emails so it's not the same. I am fine with ads, just as long as they don't mine my data and follow me around.

Really? You can do the experiment yourself by sending certain emails and eventually getting ads target off what words were in them. I don't think this was controversial.

Parent comment is talking about the Mail app, I believe.
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