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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by smallbigfish » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

dopamean wrote: post #163

Nexxxeh wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The noise-dive Apple's software has taken, it might fall under the "treats like crap".

It's odd to me that so many people seem to dislike this comment. My experience with MacOS has gotten more and more negative with each update. I upgraded to Mojave a few weeks ago (because the OS would not stop nagging me to) and I've had nothing but problems since.

I've had nothing but problems using Windows, Linux and iOS. But that's not very solid in a thread with people talking about ads and privacy violations.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by russdpale » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

ashrk wrote: post #151

forrest92 wrote: post #112

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> As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop well, go on then, elaborate...

Not the OP but my most recent attempt to ditch Windows on my gaming desktop ~6 months ago was tripped up when I discovered that core software like file managers and such still crash or wig out constantly (it's always been that way, I simply used to put up with stuff like that, just hoped that had changed since I'd been away) and generally basic interactions (e.g. drag & drop) are still inconsistent and buggy. This on…

If you want to love windows again, find the Eurpean LTSB version, it is incredible. No app store, no cortana, none of that shit.

As for linux, I went through a bunch until I found my love for fedora. It still requires some tinkering, but for the most part everything works.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by zanny » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

legulere wrote: post #96

jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

The Elementary linux desktop [1] tries to get its users to pay. [1]: https://elementary.io

So does Canonical when you download Ubuntu.

That being said, you really want money to go to developers making the software. Not to discredit the work of packagers and integrators (mostly at Debian) but actually writing the code at the end of the day is the deal breaker.

For that you can donate to Gnome, KDE, specific projects like Krita, or Software in the Public Interest that funds a bunch of the non-umbrella projects like LibreOffice and Postgres.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by Pmop » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:32 PM UTC

jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

Funny thing is that the only way you can achieve this is by installing free, open source operating system.

>Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

Yeah, this is surreal.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by zanny » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

I think its more that if the owners of software respected you at all they would not be trying to sell it you in a proprietary form to begin with. It should be no surprise that those trying to exploit and abuse copyright in an era when it makes no sense don't respect you just because you participated in the scam.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by msiyer » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

ashrk wrote: post #151

forrest92 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop well, go on then, elaborate...

Not the OP but my most recent attempt to ditch Windows on my gaming desktop ~6 months ago was tripped up when I discovered that core software like file managers and such still crash or wig out constantly (it's always been that way, I simply used to put up with stuff like that, just hoped that had changed since I'd been away) and generally basic interactions (e.g. drag & drop) are still inconsistent and buggy. This on…

Cannot agree at all.

I switched to Arch Linux when RedHat was swallowed by IBM. KDE Plasma 5 is my thing. Windows 10 is a VM guest in Arch host. 32GB workstation, multiple monitors - 2 24 inch Dell monitors, 1 Haeir 55 inch, SSDs and Western Digital Caviar Blacks and Transcend External HDDs... no issues to report.

Same experience with Fedora for more than 2 years. FreeBSD with Xfce 4 and TWM on my laptop. No crashes, no issues.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by crankylinuxuser » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

garaetjjte wrote: post #9

aw3c2 wrote: post #2

So, my uncle needs a new computer and he needs Windows 10 on it. How can I make sure that he is not being spied on and psychologically manipulated by ads right from the beginning? Is there a professional version of Windows 10 with none of those shenanigans I keep hearing about?

There is LTSC, but available only in volume licensing.

Volume license is slang for "Torrent", right?

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by inetknght » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:36 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #108

jammygit wrote: post #44

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

I guess you're assigning "walled garden" to macOS, but macOS is still UNIX underneath, and you can run any open software you want on it. I still think it's an excellent option for the privacy conscious. There are plenty of free software based operating systems that will take your money. Red Hat seems like the most obvious one.

I resurrected my late 2012 Mac Mini recently and "upgraded" it to Mojave.

I can't even SSH into the box. The SSH daemon accepts connections, firewall is off, and login sharing is enabled. But the daemon refuses my key, my password. I can't even figure out how to get it to display the reasons for the denied access.

At least on Linux I can turn off the daemon, turn on logging, turn the daemon back on, and get somewhere with denied access.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by zanny » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

ryanianian wrote: post #67

_uhtu wrote: post #47

Amazon has lately been putting ads on prime video for other prime video shows. I have a feeling we're rapidly going towards most paid services having ads. Also, on prime video, occasionally, pressing the fast forward button won't skip the ad. I'm sure it's one of those "bugs" that just happens to force the user to do something the company wants but the user doesn't but I have a feeling it might just stop working all…

This is infuriating. I'm paying for the service--that's supposedly what's sustaining it--why are there ads? If you (Amazon) decide you want more money, let me decide to pay more to eliminate ads. Similar things abound with Hulu. Even the more expensive "ad free" version has some ads for certain shows/movies due to "licensing agreements" (read: Hulu wanting more money).

Its not new whatsoever. I'm sure double dipping predates newspapers who combine recurring billing and ads in between the articles. Cable TV today is a really obvious offensive case of it because unlike with the papers you aren't as constrained by recurring distribution costs.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Post by morpheuskafka » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #126

jcelerier wrote: post #106

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> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`

Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.

Snapcraft?