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International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

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Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

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> a cylinder of a platinum alloy stored at the BIPM in France, will now be retired. It will be replaced by the Planck constant – the fundamental constant of quantum physics. I thought they did that long time ago.

I wonder how much the cylinder will auction for.

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

#12
This is probably the dumbest thing I'll type on HN.

In university I just gave up trying to understand why we even needed the Avogadro constant / mole as a fundamental constant. It still confuses me. Why have a difference between molar mass and mass? Why couldn't it just be "1" and everything else change around it?

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

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post #6

> a cylinder of a platinum alloy stored at the BIPM in France, will now be retired. It will be replaced by the Planck constant – the fundamental constant of quantum physics. I thought they did that long time ago.

As I understand it the problem was not so much to find a mathematical definition of the kg based on other units but rather to find a definition suitable for experiments. If you can't practically use the definition to reproduce the prototype then it's not a very good definition indeed.

It seems that they settled on this definition because a Kibble balance[1] has shown to be precise and practical enough:

> Accuracy criteria were agreed upon in 2013 by the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) for replacing the current definition of the kilogram [...] with one based on the use of a Kibble balance. These criteria have since been met, and the definition of the kilogram and several other units will change on May 20, 2019, World Metrology Day, which celebrates the establishment of the SI, or metric system, in 1875, following the final vote by the CGPM on November 16, 2018.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibble_balance

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

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post #6

> a cylinder of a platinum alloy stored at the BIPM in France, will now be retired. It will be replaced by the Planck constant – the fundamental constant of quantum physics. I thought they did that long time ago.

I did too, but apparently they only defined it for the second, meter and candela.

Are other units still tied to physical measures, or is this all of them?

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

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post #11
post #6

> a cylinder of a platinum alloy stored at the BIPM in France, will now be retired. It will be replaced by the Planck constant – the fundamental constant of quantum physics. I thought they did that long time ago.

I wonder how much the cylinder will auction for.

At least there will be no disagreement about the shipping weight on the auction listing.

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

#16

This is probably the dumbest thing I'll type on HN. In university I just gave up trying to understand why we even needed the Avogadro constant / mole as a fundamental constant. It still confuses me. Why have a difference between molar mass and mass? Why couldn't it just be "1" and everything else change around it?

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Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

#17

This is probably the dumbest thing I'll type on HN. In university I just gave up trying to understand why we even needed the Avogadro constant / mole as a fundamental constant. It still confuses me. Why have a difference between molar mass and mass? Why couldn't it just be "1" and everything else change around it?

For the same reason count is not a mass. Avogadro constant is a count relating number of specified atoms to mass.

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

#19

This is probably the dumbest thing I'll type on HN. In university I just gave up trying to understand why we even needed the Avogadro constant / mole as a fundamental constant. It still confuses me. Why have a difference between molar mass and mass? Why couldn't it just be "1" and everything else change around it?

In my opinion it is because a mole is a numerical amount of atoms vs the mass of the substance, so it makes reactions, formulas, and measurements easier to determine. Avogadro's number is useful just as a baseline to use (number of carbon-12 atoms in 12 grams of carbon-12), like there are 12 inches in a foot or 100 centimeters in a meter...

Re: International System of Units overhauled in historic vote

#20

This is probably the dumbest thing I'll type on HN. In university I just gave up trying to understand why we even needed the Avogadro constant / mole as a fundamental constant. It still confuses me. Why have a difference between molar mass and mass? Why couldn't it just be "1" and everything else change around it?

In a meta-sense, I don't think your question is dumb at all.

There's a complicated technical topic which you're still not understanding. There's no indication it's a question you could easily answer yourself, and you're posting it in a forum of people likely to find the topic interesting, some of whom might give an answer that clicks for you.

Well done, IMHO.

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