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Here Comes ‘The Journal of Controversial Ideas’

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I’d be more than a little concerned that this will turn into the “journal of not considering confounds around race/gender” and/or the “journal of old eugenics ideas that were already rejected years ago”. There are certainly parts of certain fields that suffer from too much groupthink or trend chasing, but I feel that this is putting the cart before the horse: ideas don’t gain merit because they’re controversial, they…

More like the "Journal of truths that are uncomfortable for SJWs"

Your attitude precisely demonstrates the need for such a journal.

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Where are the genocide journals or conferences?

Plenty of environmentalists recommend drastic decrease in the earth's population. Hence widespread push for abortion and contraception in third world countries with booming populations.

Since I'm rate limited for my controversial posts, responses to comments are here:

It's politically incorrect for Western nations to push for mandatory abortion and sterilization. So, instead they adopt softer means of "legalization" and "education".

While killing and preventing children can help adults not starve when the government is restricting their access to essentials so as to generate sympathy from Western countries that are causing the instability in the first place, there are perhaps other ways to address these humanitarian crises that do not hinge on ending human life and causing population implosions.

Still rate limited (censored), so this is in response to chickenfries' claim that even the Vatican does not consider abortion genocide.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/16/pope-fr...

“It is fashionable, or at least usual, that when in the first few months of a pregnancy doctors do studies to see if the child is healthy or has something, the first idea is: ‘Let’s send it away,’” the pope said. “We do the same as the Nazis to maintain the purity of the race, but with white gloves on.”

Re: Here Comes ‘The Journal of Controversial Ideas’

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This is necessary. Yes there will be ideas discussed at the quality of eugenics. However, there may also be ideas like the earth orbiting the sun. Example topics that should cause too much controversy for open discussion are: * The Palestinian apartheid * How Carolyn Bryand Donham fits into the #metoo movement * Supply side economics is the root cause of Facism * How long should a peaceful protests be ignored before…

Almost none of these bullets describe ideas that are going to be discussed in this journal. They're just random inflammatory political topics.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the use of pseudonyms when it is easy to deanonymize writing? If the writer is a well known academic it shouldn't be too hard to at least identify a probable author.

Probbable is defence enough I'd say.

What's the point of a pseudonym, then?

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As soon as I saw Peter Singer, I knew what kind of controversial ideas they would be. Check out the writings of Bertrand Russell for more of the same. It's likely to be the old, regurgitated fantasies from the British Empire and early 20th century eugenicists.

I think your comment wonderfully demonstrates the utility of publishing under a pseudonym. Rather then confront the actual merits and problems with this or that specific argument, a straw man is contructed and immediately doused with ad hominem. If the writer is anonymous, fallacious and time wasting ad hominem reasoning is prevented.

yah conflating Singer's ideas with imperialism and eugenics is just silly. Arguing about the person-hood of disabled babies is not the same as killing babies of other races because of some pseudo-science white supremacy bullshit

Re: Here Comes ‘The Journal of Controversial Ideas’

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> One unusual feature of the journal will be giving authors the option to use a pseudonym (though the journal’s editors say they hope most will feel comfortable using their real names). The thought is that such a policy would allow an untenured academic to publish a controversial paper, and perhaps to claim it later when he or she is on firmer career footing. Or maybe just to put it out there, and never claim it at a…

Countless topics that are not, in and of themselves, controversial have become incredibly politicized. And this is an issue that seems to only be getting worse over time. Let's take a not so hypothetical hypothetical based on something that recently happened. Not long ago there was a paper published that, using a novel method of measurement, suggested that oceans were heating some 60% faster than thought.

It turns out there were key errors in this paper, spotted just hours after publication, that made their conclusion (though not their novel form of measurement) unsupportable [1][2]. A couple of sources there since, as usual, the shocking headline will get a billion clicks, and the corrections maybe a dozen. But whatever, mistakes happen and that is not the point. But imagine now for a minute that this paper was instead going in the opposite direction and using a novel measurement had determined that the oceans were actually warming some 60% slower than thought, but it turns out that due to mistakes that conclusion was not supportable. Think about the backlash there and what would almost certainly end up resulting in personal attacks and suggestion of untoward motivation from the authors.

That's nasty business, but things that should just be 'science as usual' have started to become things people take deeply personal. I would feel quite uncomfortable publishing things that go against the grain on a number of topics. And this is before we get into things that ought be controversial. Increasing intellectual conservatism means such topics have gone from controversial to outright taboo.

[1] - https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/environment/sd-me-...

[2] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/11/14...

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Edit: As a perfect example of this, already in this very thread a person has stated an opposition to such journal because "I’m worried about corporate interests, ideologues, and charlatans publishing biased nonsense and making the world even more crowded with bad information without any recourse or ability to investigate what the motives behind the papers may have been." 'Seeking recourse and investigating the motives' often translates to finding the witch. Publish the 'wrong' idea and suddenly it's time to face the inquisitor. Publish the 'wrong' idea and make a mistake, and the inquisitor needn't waste his time - straight to the gallows with you.

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As soon as I saw Peter Singer, I knew what kind of controversial ideas they would be. Check out the writings of Bertrand Russell for more of the same. It's likely to be the old, regurgitated fantasies from the British Empire and early 20th century eugenicists.

Yes clearly children should have the right to be born with Tay-Sachs disease, Harlequin ichthyosis and Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome. They should be forced to live a live of abject horror to conform with our primitive morals.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with most of Peter Singer's controversial positions (I'm not a utilitarian), but I think calling him a eugenicist is unfair and misrepresents his position.

I didn’t call him a eugenicist. But I do put his opinions in the same category.

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Re: Here Comes ‘The Journal of Controversial Ideas’

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As it always does, it will boil down to how rigorous they are about the science. Eugenics fails not because it's controversial or immoral but because it's wrong and is based upon fundamental misunderstandings of how DNA works. There are certainly types of research that will benefit from being able to be published without worrying about committing career suicide. Several years ago a relatively new sex researchers did…

How is eugenics wrong (in the scientific sense, not the moral sense)? It seems to work pretty well with plants and some animals (dogs, horses, etc.)

look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race the argument is based on pseudo-science saying the "nordic" race is superior therefore killing babies of every other race is ok

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are the genocide journals or conferences?

Plenty of environmentalists recommend drastic decrease in the earth's population. Hence widespread push for abortion and contraception in third world countries with booming populations. Since I'm rate limited for my controversial posts, responses to comments are here: It's politically incorrect for Western nations to push for mandatory abortion and sterilization. So, instead they adopt softer means of "legalization"…

How is telling starving people not to have 8 kids per woman and providing them with free condoms "genocide" exactly?
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