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Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#71
Whenever I've been contacted by a recruiter they make out like cooperating with them is as good as receiving a job offer when none of them have any authority over hiring. It's like why mislead people like that?

The biggest problem I have with them is their incentives are misaligned with what you want. A recruiter doesn't make their money by getting you the best offer. They make their money by helping sign a lot of people. Which is why they always ask the salary question. So they can build a rolodex sorted by salary ranges and then experience levels. In fact, there is probably algorithms for prioritising the placement of the most qualified people asking for the least amount of money.

I would almost be worried about new comers in tech who maybe haven't dealt with recruiters before as recruiters are VERY good at extracting personal information. In any other field what they are doing would be illegal. In fact in information security you would call it social engineering. But people in recruiting just call it their job.

It's even worse when you consider that this is a part of the process when people might be more vulnerable or desperate. Perhaps ironically the old work-from-home-fake-job-offer-scammery-roo is also used by identity thieves, doxers, and fraudsters for the same purpose and really: Is there much difference between that and recruiting? Both of them sell a lie to extract profit from the person they target and the means they do so is extremely similar.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

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I particularly love recruiters who insist that you send them a resume in MS Word format, so that they can remove your contact details and stick their agency's ugly letterhead on top (or "improve" your resume for you if they're particularly unethical). "I'll need your resume in Word Format." "I can give you a PDF" "Give me the original in Word Format." "There is no original in Word Format, I wrote my resume in LaTeX.…

Probably 'ghosted' for mentioning the word 'latex'

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#73
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This is more nitpicky if anything, but developers are not the only ones that get blasted and ghosted with recruiters. I'm a DBA, but I also get recruiters always telling me how I am perfect for a Sr. full stack engineer.

I get blasted for network engineering work non-stop. Only 6 month contract though, and usually in some technology that is 1) brand new, or 2) obscure as hell

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#74
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This is more nitpicky if anything, but developers are not the only ones that get blasted and ghosted with recruiters. I'm a DBA, but I also get recruiters always telling me how I am perfect for a Sr. full stack engineer.

As a DBA, you don't consider yourself a developer?

just went through a process audit with a major financial company. they were vetting our setup to connect and grab info from them for use in a product. The auditor flipped out when he learned that "developers" would potentially have access to our live production database (not theirs mind you - our own).

"This is unacceptable, developers can write code and could exfiltrate data".

"Umm... someone needs to be doing database updates, backups, restores, etc. Who do you suggest do that?" (bear in mind there's only 3 tech people on our team, and only 6 people total involved in the company's business).

"Typically a DBA or a manager would do that work. It would need to be someone who couldn't write any code to exfiltrate data".

We just sat on the call for another minute or so. I asked him to detail out the process by which someone who should be incapable of 'exfiltrating code' should also be the person who has access to manage the structure of a production database. We got nothing back except a checklist of stuff that we'd 'failed' with no remediation suggestions.

So... apparently some large companies do not consider DBAs as "developers" for certain checklists.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a DBA, you don't consider yourself a developer?

just went through a process audit with a major financial company. they were vetting our setup to connect and grab info from them for use in a product. The auditor flipped out when he learned that "developers" would potentially have access to our live production database (not theirs mind you - our own). "This is unacceptable, developers can write code and could exfiltrate data". "Umm... someone needs to be doing datab…

Data Security the hard way

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#76

Don't ever do that. Don't ever professionally ruin some Person life. It has a greater impact than you thought.

Giving anonymous feedback based on your anonymous experiences should not ruin anyone's life. Especially if the point is to help recruiters to not be asses in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree. Public shaming lists aren't advisable.

Don't worry, it won't turn into a public shaming list, we already thought about that. We will update the form to make this clear.

How can you release the all the data about bad recruiters publicly without making it a public shaming list?

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#78
As the owner of a small business I like to point out that recruiters' fees come straight out of your salary - if I have a budget of £30k for a junior developer position and interview someone myself, I'll offer £30k. If I interview someone through a recruiter and know they'll charge me 15% I'll not only offer less to try to bring the fees down but also so I don't go over my budget including fees.

If you're job hunting it pays to approach potential employers directly. It also makes a much better impression.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#80
post #20

I particularly love recruiters who insist that you send them a resume in MS Word format, so that they can remove your contact details and stick their agency's ugly letterhead on top (or "improve" your resume for you if they're particularly unethical). "I'll need your resume in Word Format." "I can give you a PDF" "Give me the original in Word Format." "There is no original in Word Format, I wrote my resume in LaTeX.…

This almost screwed me in my last interview. (I still got the job thankfully). They took off my blog, mvp award, GitHub profile, and Stack Overflow account. I went into the interview with them thinking I had done nothing except my work history. When I found out, I snapped at the recruiter explaining those are important for them to see.

A few months ago a recruiter took off my title (ing. jr, similar to P. Eng.) from my resume because "it was not required for the position". I pay 500 bucks a year for that title; I was pretty pissed, to say the least.
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