Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

news.ycombinator.com

21–30 of 147 posts

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#21
Fun reading, however why not turn this into an authoritative source for something akin to a donotcall registry?

If something like that got some traction, and you were able to secure some endorsements from big tech players, these irritants would become less of an issue, and recruiters would be more effective in their efforts instead of wasting time with people who don't want to be bothered.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#22
I appreciate the idea - I've had some bad experiences with recruiters myself, and the temptation to shame them to the world certainly has some raw emotional appeal. But I've also had wonderful experiences with recruiters, that resulted in great jobs that lasted for years. So I have some concerns:

1) Specifically seeking out bad reviews is likely to attract angry rants. Yelp has their share of bitter people lashing out because they can, and anonymous content tends to encourage it. How do you intend to combat that behavior?

2) People grow and improve. I don't want to be judged for my work or my behavior from my early days in the field. How are you going to be sure this isn't unfairly capturing the worst moments of someone's career just because they are new at it and haven't learned any better yet?

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#23
post #16

Another frustrating tactic they have started to use is bait positions with attractive "specifications". They use these to draw you into communicating with them and start offering subpar positions than those initially mentioned in the first communication. The classic bait and switch. I'm fed up getting messages on LinkedIn along the lines of: Hi LeBowen You are exactly what TheWorldsBestCompany are looking for, is it…

Oh yeah, plenty of advertised functional programming positions are really run-of-the-mill Java positions, but recruiters have found that noone answers true ads, so its a total bait-and-switch, “do this Java for a few years and they might one day think about Clojure...” spoiler: they won’t

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#24
post #16

Another frustrating tactic they have started to use is bait positions with attractive "specifications". They use these to draw you into communicating with them and start offering subpar positions than those initially mentioned in the first communication. The classic bait and switch. I'm fed up getting messages on LinkedIn along the lines of: Hi LeBowen You are exactly what TheWorldsBestCompany are looking for, is it…

I get these all the time and I simply don't respond to them anymore.

The initial email needs to hook me somehow, and show that you've at least put some amount of effort into personalizing your pitch to me, specifically (you know, show that you've actually read my profile and explain why'd I'd be a great fit for your client).

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#27
post #8
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a signal that you're serious.

Recruiters - not candidates - are the ones who blast poorly targeted spam. They should show us the money first, not the other way around.

I don't think it works that way from their perspective. For boiler room recruiters in particular, they maximize their return on effort by blasting email like that. They don't want to waste time on people who are content with their current job and might be all goldilocks-y about potential new employers. They want to be talking to people who want a new job so badly that they're willing to respond to spammy recruiter emails.

Source: At a former job, I was work buddies with a guy from the in-house recruiting department, and he'd tell me stories about just how different his job there was from his previous job at one of those firms.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#28

Why do recruiters insist on phone calls for everything? Why can't they just send an email? I can't get on the phone while I'm at my job to talk to you about some other job.

Having done the sales grind for a bit now, I'll give my 2c:

Phone calls (or any form of live communication, really) are extremely efficient in comparison to email.

Email is pretty much the worst form of communication for most people. A conversation that would take 15 minutes on the phone might take weeks (if not months) to conclude over email, and because of that latency things frequently get forgotten or lost.

You might say: "Hey, if I don't respond to your email that means I'm not interested" or "This clearly isn't a priority for me, that's why it takes so long to respond" but on the other side you'll semi-frequently encounter people who actually are really interested but take a few follow-up emails to respond for whatever reason (busy, OOO, just forgot, etc).

Email is just very forgettable for most people, even for things that they might actually be interested in. You might be an exception. I'm a pretty strict Inbox Zero person, so I feel your pain. Still, you choose the tactic that works most effectively for the vast majority of people, and that's live communication of some kind.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#29

I appreciate the idea - I've had some bad experiences with recruiters myself, and the temptation to shame them to the world certainly has some raw emotional appeal. But I've also had wonderful experiences with recruiters, that resulted in great jobs that lasted for years. So I have some concerns: 1) Specifically seeking out bad reviews is likely to attract angry rants. Yelp has their share of bitter people lashing ou…

>2) People grow and improve. I don't want to be judged for my work or my behavior from my early days in the field. How are you going to be sure this isn't unfairly capturing the worst moments of someone's career just because they are new at it and haven't learned any better yet?

Or are currently in a bad company which forces/encourages this kind of behavior. I wouldn't mind recruiting company reviews though. Because there would be a few on my blacklist.

Re: Ask HN: Dontrecruit.me – A website to collect stories about bad recruiters

#30

I am green to working with recruiters. What should I watch for? I already do not like the experience but I don't know if that's a problem with me or them.

There are a lot of guides to help you figure out whether a recruiter is serious or not. A recent thing that happened to me was that a recruitment agency refused to let me have a chat with their client before I provided some references.

It seemed weird and I really didn't want to waste my references not having even just a verbal confirmation that they were interested in hiring me. I really thought they were asking in good faith.

It turns out that you should NEVER disclose your references with a recruiter before an offer is on the table, in writing. This is a very common technique and it usually means they are no longer interested in hiring you but they would gladly use your references as potential candidates or future leads to get more business.

Very shady ;)

TL;DR: do a lot of Googling of the kind "how to tell if a recruiter is bad".

Post reply on HN