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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by marcus_holmes »

wallace_f wrote: post #237
slededit wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea but nobody remembers those.

Like the Iraq Warlogs, or DWS scandal. Even leaks like the Stratfor files are certainly in the best interests of the "little guy," if anyone actually gives a shit about them. But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent.

yeah, I don't really understand how someone dedicated to upsetting the authorities got painted as a tool of right-wing US politics.

Or maybe my left-leaning echo chamber is portraying him as that, and the alt-right bubble sees him as a Russian agent?

It'd be interesting to compare notes... is there a service for matching up people in different bubbles so we can compare facts?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by josteink »

matt4077 wrote: post #456
cronix wrote: post #286

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Yes, but the UN effectively say he's being detained, which I tend to agree with. It's like me standing there with a gun to your head saying if you take one more step, I'll shoot. Technically, you're "free to leave at any time," but that's not really the effective reality. > February 2016 - A UN panel rules that Mr Assange has been "arbitrarily detained" by UK and Swedish authorities since 2010 https://www.bbc.com/new…

I don't quite get what the argument is supposed to be. Possibly that the charges should be dropped because so much time has passed. Because there is just no logical reason why an accused should have the option of getting all charges dropped because somehow being prosecuted for them violates his rights? The analogy with shooting someone is obviously different, in that shooting someone tends to be a violation of their…

What charges? Uncovering massive war-crimes committed by the US? (And how many have been charged as the result of those?)

Are you saying it’s ok to let people off the hook for war-crimes, but reporting them should put you in prison?

What kind of society would that be? Certainly not one I would want to live in.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by narag »

codedokode wrote: post #430
lazyasciiart wrote: post #422

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Citizenship isn't usually relevant to prosecution, unless it's for something like treason. The US prosecutes foreigners for hacking crimes committed outside of the country as well.

This is bad. Because other countries might take the same approach. What if China, Iran or Russia will start prosecuting US citizens for posts on the Internet that are against their laws? Like critisizing Communist Party? I don't see the difference between US prosecuting Assange and China prosecuting those who, being infinitely malignant, publish illegal, misleading information about Communist Party or Tiananmen squar…

Most countries will prosecute you if you are from that country or if the crime is commited in their jurisdiction.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by komali2 »

busterarm wrote: post #85
komali2 wrote: post #63

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That's an obviously absurd belief given he's in an embassy. The USA has done a lot of insane shit but that would be a ridiculous line to cross to eliminate a single "criminal."

Pretty absurd. That said, the Saudi government just straight up murdered a journalist in one of their embassies, the whole world knows it and politically it appears things are still business as usual...

But that's not the United States. They're a straight monarchy...

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Post by dagw »

josteink wrote: post #459
dragonwriter wrote: post #432

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> If true, this suggests that previous articles about assange being 'practically free to go', and 'just staying in the embassy for attention' were misinformed. But those were always false even considering only the overt facts, and without the US issuing an extradition request (which there is still no indication it has, though there is an administrative error that seems to indicate that there is a sealed indictment);…

The Swedish government has dropped their charges, so they no longer apply. Now though he’s wanted by British police for avoiding arrest, which is a different felony. That puts him under the control of the UK government, which are very likely to agree to any extradition requests the US may send.

The Swedish government has dropped their charges, so they no longer apply.

They haven't completely dropped the charges. They've dropped the investigation, canceled the arrest warrant and aren't seeking extradition. But if he visits Sweden before the statute of limitations runs out then he can technically still be brought in for questioning and the investigation can be re-opened.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by jacobush »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #461
wallace_f wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the Iraq Warlogs, or DWS scandal. Even leaks like the Stratfor files are certainly in the best interests of the "little guy," if anyone actually gives a shit about them. But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent.

yeah, I don't really understand how someone dedicated to upsetting the authorities got painted as a tool of right-wing US politics. Or maybe my left-leaning echo chamber is portraying him as that, and the alt-right bubble sees him as a Russian agent? It'd be interesting to compare notes... is there a service for matching up people in different bubbles so we can compare facts?

You need to step up your game mister!

Currently, the alt-right does not see him as a Russian agent, because Russia doesn't meddle in elections and stuff. That's just crazy talk propaganda. They are dangerous with some nuclear stuff so we have to build more nukes. But they are good in Syria and we need to either step away completely from that shit-show or give them a hand and fight on their side. It's complicated.

The left-leaning have Assange see him as a tool of right-wing US politics which are 100% bought by Russian oligarchs, or maybe the US politics bought the Russian oligarchs. It's unclear.

Questions?

Whatever you do, do not cross the streams. Gotta keep both (can never have more than 2 sides in a debate! that's we call it bi-partisan! have you heard of tri-partisan?! Is that some kind of cheese?! lol) sides hot and angry. Don't mind the man behind the curtain.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by starbeast »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #422
codedokode wrote: post #420

As I understand, Assange is not an US citizen. How can they prosecute him? Wikipedia page [1] says: > Opinions of Assange at this time [2010] were divided. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard described his activities as "illegal," but the police said that he had broken no Australian law. United States Vice President Joe Biden and others called him a "terrorist". Some called for his assassination or execution. Tha…

Citizenship isn't usually relevant to prosecution, unless it's for something like treason. The US prosecutes foreigners for hacking crimes committed outside of the country as well.

At the same time as having the 'Hague Invasion Act' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... - and threatening the judges of the ICC with sanctions on the basis of their current investigations into war crimes in Afghanistan. - https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/10/trump-administration-to-take...

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by paulie_a »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #296
paulie_a wrote: post #213

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I think he is too dumb to realize he was used as a Russian asset. The attention whoring he is known for blinded him. While dumb, I don't think he has specifically kept secrets about Trump. His actions show a definite agenda. Act two, he just doesn't realize that it is someone else's agenda.

The attention whoring is insurance against being disappeared.

In his case it may have started out that way, but eventually devolved after he wasn't getting the attention anymore. He became irrelevant but still wanted the same fame. He might have shined some light on things, then he became a douchebag because of that fame. But honestly he probably was always a douchebag.

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Post by jacobush »

Joakal wrote: post #440
codedokode wrote: post #420

As I understand, Assange is not an US citizen. How can they prosecute him? Wikipedia page [1] says: > Opinions of Assange at this time [2010] were divided. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard described his activities as "illegal," but the police said that he had broken no Australian law. United States Vice President Joe Biden and others called him a "terrorist". Some called for his assassination or execution. Tha…

Try this Australian pirate who got jailed in USA. Then upon released, got jailed again for being an illegal alien and banned from USA. Before the extradition, he had never set foot in USA before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hew_Raymond_Griffiths Labor/Liberal are USA stooges.

I thought you meant like high seas pirate. That this is happening in modern times is ... interesting.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by jacobush »

mrleinad wrote: post #355
armenarmen wrote: post #275

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Good on you. I hope it takes. And yeah, I believe that we are legit powerless to do anything about it. No party is a peace/non-intervention party. I don’t think that most Americans support the war aspect of the machine. It’s apathy for some and learned helplessness for others.

Hey, if Assange/Snowden had ever believed they were powerless, we wouldn't be talking about them. Same goes for countless other figures throughout history. It's up to us who believe something else to convince more people and achieve critical mass, which will make the difference.

Or if not achieve critical mass, just slow down the shit show.
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