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Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by xvedejas »

DareRight wrote: post #155
xvedejas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means that states without income tax (WA, NV, TX, TN etc) are yet still more enticing for most high-earning professionals. I agree with other commenters saying this doesn't do much except help the people who always were considering moving to OK/VT.

I've never understood this thinking. A state has a certain amount of expenditures in their budget. They have to acquire those funds somehow. If they don't collect income tax, they bump up food tax, or hotel tax, or restaurant tax, or diesel tax, etc. The money is coming out of your wallet one way or the other.

It depends on your situation. I live in a place where I am able to live without a car, for instance, so local gas taxes don't affect my decision making for whether to live here. Income taxes always will.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by komali2 »

bennettfeely wrote: post #162
hrktb wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?

Germany miraculously overcame the most catastrophically racist culture in modern history and I'm not quite sure how they did it beyond outright banning Nazism.

Meanwhile, I was called a n lover as a child in South Carolina because I had black friends. This is early 2000s, mind you.

Judging an entire population on the sins of their father is just another form of baseless prejudice, like racism, so I don't support it. But deep red America is full of racists. You shouldn't judge a person until you meet them, but there's a reason I left the deep South for San Francisco. I was just tired of the fucking racism, man.

To the topic at hand - an influx of tech workers is probably awesome for changing the cultural zeitgeist of a place like Tulsa, and given that it's a major metropolitan area it probably is far removed from the culture of the 20s, or the surrounding rural areas. But it ain't San Francisco. It's an entirely fair concern, to have to deal with racists there.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by TulliusCicero »

ethagknight wrote: post #71

I mean WOW the comments here are snotty against Tulsa. Relatively little discussion of the incentive itself, the fact that a single private individual is paying for the incentive (!!), or other dynamics of relocation to cheaper, easier towns for remote work. I visited Tulsa a few months ago to just check it out. I enjoyed it greatly. The Tulsa Gathering Place is absolutely unreal for a free public park. There is enou…

> I mean WOW the comments here are snotty against Tulsa

If there was an article about paying remote workers to move to SF, you'd get the exact same thing. I mean, obviously the specific complaints themselves would be different, but you'd still get the same rough tone and criticism.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by komali2 »

magd wrote: post #102
monocasa wrote: post #99

Ironically, Tulsa had a chance to be a thriving business center around the turn of the century. Unfortunately, the business owners were the wrong skin color as Tulsa was known as The Black Wall Street. In 1921, a white mob killed hundreds, and white police officers flew planes firebombing 35 blocks, in the first use of air bombing in anger on American soil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot Part of me is…

And Tulsa tried to cover it up.

According to the Wikipedia article, I'm reading it such that the city commissioned a study that determined the city police force did target black people? Granted this is generations later.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by komali2 »

chrissnell wrote: post #169

I'm saddened by all of the negativity in these comments. So many people falling back on the old stereotypes of the South and Midwest, people who have clearly not spent time in these places. I live in a small city in Kansas and have worked remotely for SFBA tech companies for over 10 years. I moved here from the Seattle area. I can tell you that life is amazing when you make Bay Area money and live in a small Midweste…

It's gotta be judged city to city. Charleston, south Carolina is chock full of straight Jim crow racism, and I'd hazard to say that's the majority there.

It's not fair to apply that stereotype to Tulsa without going there and checking it out, but I think it's a reasonable concern.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by TulliusCicero »

deckar01 wrote: post #120
monocasa wrote: post #99

Ironically, Tulsa had a chance to be a thriving business center around the turn of the century. Unfortunately, the business owners were the wrong skin color as Tulsa was known as The Black Wall Street. In 1921, a white mob killed hundreds, and white police officers flew planes firebombing 35 blocks, in the first use of air bombing in anger on American soil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot Part of me is…

This initiative is apparently funded by the George Kaiser Family Foundation, not the city of Tulsa itself. > We created Tulsa Remote to enhance Tulsa's talented and successful workforce community by bringing like-minded, bright and driven individuals to the city for community building, collaboration and networking. George Kaiser is a billionaire that lives in Tulsa and San Francisco. I have lived and worked in both o…

Right, but that depends on one's own personal definition of "quality of life". For some people, it involves walkable, transit-friendly neighborhoods, a tolerant/accepting local and state government, and easy access to major airports for international travel. For those things, SF would clearly be the superior option (relative to Tulsa).

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by komali2 »

DareRight wrote: post #155
xvedejas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means that states without income tax (WA, NV, TX, TN etc) are yet still more enticing for most high-earning professionals. I agree with other commenters saying this doesn't do much except help the people who always were considering moving to OK/VT.

I've never understood this thinking. A state has a certain amount of expenditures in their budget. They have to acquire those funds somehow. If they don't collect income tax, they bump up food tax, or hotel tax, or restaurant tax, or diesel tax, etc. The money is coming out of your wallet one way or the other.

Or they just don't have nice things.

Drive around on some Houston roads sometime... One time my bumper got popped off by a pothole.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by themmes »

pstuart wrote: post #107
knightswhosayni wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Tulsa now. Don't do it. Just because this website says it is exciting doesn't mean it is. They are throwing money at the issue of a brain drain and lagging economy. Tons of people who "went to school in Tulsa" don't live there now because it is the opposite of exciting.

Thought experiment: you are now Mayor of Tulsa and have received a $100M grant to "make Tulsa exciting". Assume the situation is that whatever you propose would not be opposed. What would you do?

“Brain drain” suggests there is a leak, makes not much sense to try attracting new brain without fixing the leak first. Identify who are “brain”, track their needs, provide intervening opportunities when they feel theyre not satisfied.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by hrktb »

bennettfeely wrote: post #162
hrktb wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?

A lot of things happened to Germany, from the outside, from the inside, a lot of the people who participated died from the war or in the aftermath, people who survived went through a lot, be it through direct trials or post-war education to children overwatched by the surrounding countries.

It's in my opinion one of the very few example of a recovery after such events.

I came across the "Black wall street" event of Tusla a while ago, and in comparison I don't get the impression that anything was really done to in reparation or even to change the course of things, almost the opposite.

To not be too personal about how shitty I feel it is, from the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot#Aftermath

> In the end, no one was convicted of charges for the deaths, injuries or property damage.

> A group of influential white developers persuaded the city to pass a fire ordinance that would have prohibited many blacks from rebuilding in Greenwood.

> No prosecution took place of any whites for actions committed during the riot. The city settled into an uneasy peace, and decades of virtual silence about the events began. It was not recognized in the Tulsa Tribune feature of "Fifteen Years Ago Today" or "Twenty-five Years Ago Today".

To address the "people living today are innocent" part, it's not a matter of being part of the crime or not, but wether the Tusla culture is tainted by its past or not. And to have a culture change, there needs to be recognition, reflection and rejection of past issues, with a strong will to compensate and overcome. Is there any of that?

From the outside, I'd wager Oklahoma wouldn't still have an active branch of the KKK if there was such a dramatic shift.

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