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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by [deleted] »

hnmonkey wrote: post #172
wallace_f wrote: post #168

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>Russia used him as a deniable way to launder secrets they had stolen into the American press. I have never seen proof of this accusation? Can you link me to it? Not the accusation, but proof? What is it: was he "used" like you said, or mislead, or intentionally aiding Russia? To be fair the DWS scandal is a real problem, a big deal, and a threat to our democracy... and nobody was seriously punished for that. DWS is…

There's literal proof throughout this post. In fact, I posted some too. There are definitely levels of threats to American democracy. If DWS refers to Wasserman-Schultz then it pales in comparison to an enemy foreign state's military intelligence corrupting the American government.

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Post by 4ad »

hnmonkey wrote: post #156
roywiggins wrote: post #141

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It might be accurate to model his operations in two phases. The first, when he was exposing secrets on his own. The second, when (it seems) Russia used him as a deniable way to launder secrets they had stolen into the American press. Exactly when one phase begins and the other ends, whether he knew it was happening at the time, and whether he committed any crimes against the United States during the second phase is m…

I agree with you somewhat. It seems that he initially wanted to buck the system and expose secrets for the purpose of exposing secrets and anarchy. It's possible this was a fantastic cover and he's always worked at someone's behest. Agreed completely with your 2nd phase. I don't think it works for Snowden. I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot who wanted to expose what he thought were illegalities an…

> I actually believe he was ardently an American patriot

Assange is Australian.

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Post by xster »

wallace_f wrote: post #237
slededit wrote: post #36

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Yea but nobody remembers those.

Like the Iraq Warlogs, or DWS scandal. Even leaks like the Stratfor files are certainly in the best interests of the "little guy," if anyone actually gives a shit about them. But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent.

But how could you 'remember' the DWS scandal if WikiLeaks were illegal to read :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-beYBLrkNAg

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Post by hackinthebochs »

nailer wrote: post #74
krapp wrote: post #56

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What emails, specifically, were newsworthy?

The ones where it was revealed the Clinton campaign was running the DNC and Sanders never stood a chance. Whether your support that or not I don't think anyone disputes that this was revealed by Wikileaks

Plenty of people dispute this narrative, myself included. The DNC never took any action against the Sanders campaign, despite some disgruntled emails by some DNC staffers venting about Sanders.

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Post by ColanR »

kahirsch wrote: post #167
monocasa wrote: post #146

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https://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wik... It was from before he was in the embassy, after the CableGate thing.

Truepundit.com is a site with no named reporters but somehow still manages to get "scoops" from unnamed sources in the State Department, the Justice Department, the Pentagon, and the FBI. Yet these scoops are never confirmed by other sources and many of them are proved false, like these: * November 4, 2016: BREAKING: Comey Mandates All FBI Agents Report to D.C. Offices; Prep for Raids, Possible Arrests in Clinton Pro…

Two instances of getting it wrong doesn't negate the entire news organization. That would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There isn't any news organization that hasn't ever got an article wrong.

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Post by wallace_f »

hnmonkey wrote: post #172
wallace_f wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Russia used him as a deniable way to launder secrets they had stolen into the American press. I have never seen proof of this accusation? Can you link me to it? Not the accusation, but proof? What is it: was he "used" like you said, or mislead, or intentionally aiding Russia? To be fair the DWS scandal is a real problem, a big deal, and a threat to our democracy... and nobody was seriously punished for that. DWS is…

There's literal proof throughout this post. In fact, I posted some too. There are definitely levels of threats to American democracy. If DWS refers to Wasserman-Schultz then it pales in comparison to an enemy foreign state's military intelligence corrupting the American government.

See you keep saying you can convince me, but still wont show me the proot that will.

Do you really believe the Iraq Warlogs revealing death, torture, war crimes, and lying is somehow worse than literally subverting American democracy in a presidential primary?

Now, I don't want to defend Assange's every single motive, but the DWS scandal was pure corruption, while for whatever bad Assange has done that you keep promising to show me, he has clearly shown bravery in doing some good along the way.

And by the way, revealing war crimes is not anti-American. Liberty and justice are American principles. There will always be corruption and always a need to reveal it.

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Post by elliekelly »

monocasa wrote: post #203
elliekelly wrote: post #185

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Do you have any source for that? I'm not saying it's a fact that the data had been altered but I'm saying reasonable minds can draw that conclusion based on the information we have available.[1] You're oddly defensive of Assange and don't seem to have come to this thread with any interest in discussion. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/gucci...

The Guccifer leaks are completely different from the WikiLeaks leaks. They have nothing to do with Assange.

From the recent indictment of the GRU Officers behind Guccifer: "Finally, on July 14th, Guccifer 2.0 sent WikiLeaks an encrypted attachment"

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Post by cwkoss »

vel0city wrote: post #217
resters wrote: post #204

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> essentially a Russian asset This is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Obviously a platform like Wikileaks can be "weaponized" by any party against another party. I think it's a question of what is the most relevant aspect of the leak overall, not who leaked it or why. For instance, suppose someone had leaked detailed information about the misconduct of Jerry Sandusky several years before it became widely known. Wou…

Do we know that Wikileaks has always released full documents and data sets, or do we just take their website at face value that he's truly never been selective on what to publish?

Anyone who wishes to discredit Wikileaks has a strong incentive to release documents which could cast doubt on the authenticity of a Wikileaks release, and in turn the organization as a whole.

Many people wish to discredit Wikileaks.

So far no one has provided evidence that Wikileaks has ever doctored, edited or manufactured anything in their releases.

I think that indicates something, but it's certainly not conclusive.

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Post by jMyles »

kuwze wrote: post #190

If he had kept his promise after Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning I would care.

What a silly point on which to turn your concerns about government misconduct, especially when it involves the 1st amendment.

> Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning

First of all, that never happened. You are drastically exaggerating the relief offered by the government.

The government tortured this person for years and then, even after offering this (in the great scheme of things, small) gesture of commuting her sentence, it still kept her locked up for an absurd amount of time, ostensibly for administrative reasons.

It was too little too late for me, and too little too late for Assange. If the government wanted to take the deal he offered, it had the opportunity to immediately pardon Manning and call Assange out on it. Then we'd know if he was bluffing.

This (less than) half measure doesn't cut.

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Post by consumer451 »

StavrosK wrote: post #235
consumer451 wrote: post #194

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Pardon my ignorance, but just so I understand, when you said “Does that excuse the war crimes that were committed?” Which war crimes were you referring to? If I understand the thread correctly, you also seem to be committing textbook gaslighting[0]. If I am misinterpreting the thread, please correct me. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Jeez, what's with the Wikipedia links all the time? People drive by, throw a term around, and leave. How am I committing gaslighting? Am I rearranging the furniture in your house while you're away or something?

I should not have said that second part. To break it down, can you please explain to me which war crimes you are referring to, and how they are related to the beginning of this thread?
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