The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange • Hacker News Board

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by anarazel » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:14 AM UTC

Myrmornis wrote: post #95

anarazel wrote: post #62

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"key figure" as in: A few small changes. https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git&a=search... https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=commit... Edit: Added the one contribution he didn't commit himself.

What? I would be proud to have got this into postgres core, but perhaps you operate on a different plane of excellence. https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=blobdi...

> What? I would be proud to have got this into postgres core, but perhaps you operate on a different plane of excellence. https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git;a=blobdi....

It's just a minor rewrite of parts of the commandline client. Mostly made verbose by by renaming structs members / moving members around. 22+ years ago.

> but perhaps you operate on a different plane of excellence.

I work on PG close to full-time. So I sure hope I've many more contributions than that ;)

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by hnmonkey » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:15 AM UTC

resters wrote: post #64

By doing this the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. Also, by ignoring the crimes revealed by the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, the US makes it very clear that war-making cronies rule both parties and would never hold each other accountable for anything. To be clear, the war logs revealed that the US classified information solely because it revealed that…

While some of the things that were exposed were certainly illegal and should be handled as such, it's hard to feel any empathy for a guy who is essentially a Russian asset. If you think of him as an extension of Russian military intelligence conducting propaganda wars against its adversaries then it becomes a lot easier to understand why prosecuting him is a genuinely good thing. Russia airing the dirty laundry of others is good for Russia. Now, don't get me wrong... I'm not defending the dirty laundry I'm just saying that the intent behind the messenger in this situation is not at all altruistic.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by krapp » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:15 AM UTC

nailer wrote: post #81

krapp wrote: post #20

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Why would a "credible" news organization have released them? They weren't released to show evidence of any particular wrongdoing, nor did they show any illegal activity. They were simply dumped in order to fuel the fire of the impression of wrongdoing, and in hopes that some smoking gun or salacious material could be found to use against her politically.

Would you support it if the DNC had run a similar campaign supporting Clinton against Obama in 08?

The purpose of the DNC, as with the RNC, is to choose a candidate they feel is most likely to win. I don't believe choosing Obama over Clinton would have been any less political than choosing Clinton over Obama, or Clinton over Bernie. I don't believe that political calculus or meddling or special privileges granted to high-ranking party officials is actually atypical for either party.

Of course, Wikileaks never released any data dumps from the Republicans, so we can't really know, I guess. Maybe the Republican Party is just a paragon of virtue and their opsec is perfect.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by StavrosK » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:15 AM UTC

aglavine wrote: post #106

StavrosK wrote: post #87

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> the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. I.e. themselves.

You realize he may be a Russian spy, don't you?

Does that excuse the war crimes that were committed?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by hnmonkey » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:15 AM UTC

aglavine wrote: post #106

StavrosK wrote: post #87

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> the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. I.e. themselves.

You realize he may be a Russian spy, don't you?

Asset. Spies work directly for Russian military intelligence. Assets are the ones they control.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by monocasa » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:16 AM UTC

midniteslayr wrote: post #92

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #57

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>They have been to be a known tool for the Russian government Known by whom? Its been over 2 years and there has still been absolutely no evidence released at all proving this. Claims made by the CIA, the US government or anyone else are proof of nothing, despite what you may think. >even going as far as creating a show for Julian Assange on the state-backed RT TV Network. Larry King has a show on RT too, is he an ag…

sigh ... The current Secretary of State (and former CIA Director) has directly called out and said that WikiLeaks has done work for the GRU or the Russian Intelligence. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2017... This shit is easy to lookup ... and the fact of the matter is, trying to claim that "we" are as bad as the Russians is the same shit Putin does to dispel any criticism against his fucked…

Just because you italicize "sigh" doesn't make you any more right. I've found it easier just to assume that the heads of national security are lying. They've been caught perjuring themselves too many times to count.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:16 AM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #76

jsutton wrote: post #53

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'Believed' is a loose term, you'd have to be deluded to believe something like that.

Would you though? The State Dept under Clinton played fast and loose with it's own procedures and regulations and I have a friend who died in the Benghazi attack if you want to fight with me on this point. More than 5% of the Section 702 wiretaps conducted under the last President's administration were performed illegally by their own admission. False flag operations are part of our history and three-letter agencies…

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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by yholio » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:16 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #20

implying wrote: post #7

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If a "credible" (read: state-approved) news organization had released those emails, would you have the same thoughts toward them?

Why would a "credible" news organization have released them? They weren't released to show evidence of any particular wrongdoing, nor did they show any illegal activity. They were simply dumped in order to fuel the fire of the impression of wrongdoing, and in hopes that some smoking gun or salacious material could be found to use against her politically.

And yet, those are still legitimate actions for media. As a general rule, if Fox News can do it, so can Wikileaks - and it was precisely traditional media that made the dump politically damaging as opposed to Wikileaks itself, which is an obscure web repository the wast majority of the public will never access.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by gscott » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:16 AM UTC

aglavine wrote: post #106

StavrosK wrote: post #87

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> the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. I.e. themselves.

You realize he may be a Russian spy, don't you?

Which is why Trump should want to keep him far away from American soil. Only Assange knows all about the Russian email hacks which could be bad for Trump.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by vallesmarineris » Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:16 AM UTC

x220 wrote: post #108

vallesmarineris wrote: post #66

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> People like Assange aren't pawns of some dark and evil power Citation needed. The rest of the world seems to agree that he was in fact a pawn to a "dark and evil power", as you put it. Here's my citation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/0... "Assange behaved as an instrument of the Kremlin operation which, in an excruciatingly close election, may have made just enough of a difference to s…

> hacked voting systems do you have evidence that fake votes were cast?

I said absolutely nothing about fake votes being cast. Why did you make that up? What are you talking about? Please elaborate.

Russia hacked voting and electoral systems. Here is a news article about that: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrat...

In related news, you will find constant streams of articles demonstrating the epic quantities of failures of voting systems across the country. You will also find lots of news articles about voters being eliminated from the voting rolls, in mysterious ways.

Which acts are done by the Republican people in charge of the voting systems? Which acts were done by Russians who hacked in? I don't know. None of us do, yet.

But you're here making up ridiculous claims and using logical fallacies to try to insert false 'facts' into your question. You twist my words and ask non-sensical questions. Why?

Russia hacked our voting systems. That is not up for dispute, that is a long-established fact.