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The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by throwawayjava »

busterarm wrote: post #76
jsutton wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Believed' is a loose term, you'd have to be deluded to believe something like that.

Would you though? The State Dept under Clinton played fast and loose with it's own procedures and regulations and I have a friend who died in the Benghazi attack if you want to fight with me on this point. More than 5% of the Section 702 wiretaps conducted under the last President's administration were performed illegally by their own admission. False flag operations are part of our history and three-letter agencies…

Clinton was a hawk but think about what you're saying.

You really think she would have drone bombed an embassy in the heart of fucking London? Come on. That's clearly delusional.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by kjksf »

ixtli wrote: post #72
gbumakefan wrote: post #3

Wow. Freedom of the press is dead.

The reason we try to uphold freedom of the press isn't to defend people like this or their actions. It always seems pretty clearly bad faith when people make this argument about Assange.

So far all we know that US is preparing to prosecute Assange for something.

We don't know what that something is so you're jumping to a big conclusion that it has something to do with vague "freedom of the press".

Freedom of press is about things like "government can't interfere with publishing of information through prior restraint" etc.

Freedom of press doesn't provide immunity from crimes.

We can table "freedom of press" discussion until we know what exactly US is accusing Assange of.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by staplers »

resters wrote: post #64

By doing this the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. Also, by ignoring the crimes revealed by the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, the US makes it very clear that war-making cronies rule both parties and would never hold each other accountable for anything. To be clear, the war logs revealed that the US classified information solely because it revealed that…

People will upvote this comment and complain about the system being broken then turn around and ridicule anyone who votes third party or claims large media companies are corrupt.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by allemagne »

busterarm wrote: post #76
jsutton wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Believed' is a loose term, you'd have to be deluded to believe something like that.

Would you though? The State Dept under Clinton played fast and loose with it's own procedures and regulations and I have a friend who died in the Benghazi attack if you want to fight with me on this point. More than 5% of the Section 702 wiretaps conducted under the last President's administration were performed illegally by their own admission. False flag operations are part of our history and three-letter agencies…

Yes. None of that (even if you buy into all of it) adds up to "Clinton would literally order a drone strike on Julian Assange", let alone if he happened to be in the Ecuadorian embassy in London at the time.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by longerthoughts »

busterarm wrote: post #76
jsutton wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Believed' is a loose term, you'd have to be deluded to believe something like that.

Would you though? The State Dept under Clinton played fast and loose with it's own procedures and regulations and I have a friend who died in the Benghazi attack if you want to fight with me on this point. More than 5% of the Section 702 wiretaps conducted under the last President's administration were performed illegally by their own admission. False flag operations are part of our history and three-letter agencies…

>More than 5% of the Section 702 wiretaps conducted under the last President's administration were performed illegally by their own admission.

Source?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by aglavine »

StavrosK wrote: post #87
resters wrote: post #64

By doing this the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. Also, by ignoring the crimes revealed by the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, the US makes it very clear that war-making cronies rule both parties and would never hold each other accountable for anything. To be clear, the war logs revealed that the US classified information solely because it revealed that…

> the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. I.e. themselves.

You realize he may be a Russian spy, don't you?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by x220 »

vallesmarineris wrote: post #66
ixtli wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again sarcasm as a way to convey a legitimate point is downvoted on HN so I'll translate: I would be surprised if he was prosecuted harshly given his important role in the election of the current president of the US. (Edit: to be clear, I personally dislike seeing all these jokes about russian agents re: the 2016 election. There was clearly meddling but its beginning to bother me that a vocal strain of vocal American…

> People like Assange aren't pawns of some dark and evil power Citation needed. The rest of the world seems to agree that he was in fact a pawn to a "dark and evil power", as you put it. Here's my citation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/0... "Assange behaved as an instrument of the Kremlin operation which, in an excruciatingly close election, may have made just enough of a difference to s…

> hacked voting systems do you have evidence that fake votes were cast?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by kjksf »

stale2002 wrote: post #80
midniteslayr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it was done with the intent of influencing the 2016 election, that tends to fall under conspiracy and espionage ... especially when it comes from a former adversarial government.

That's sounds like a political opinion that you just stated. Why are you trying to meddle in the political process, by engaging in political speech?

Unlike you, the law does make a distinction between expressing political opinion and unlawful interference with election process and we have independent judicial system to apply those laws.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by justincormack »

xoa wrote: post #47

Without any opinion the merits of this case in particular, which seems like a total mess all around and I haven't been following, on the topic more generally I found "Demystifying International Extradition" [1] last year to be an interesting summary of the process. It introduced me to concepts that don't really tend to come up in local law. Amongst other pertinent aspects is that while the US generally wants to avoid…

Insisting on no death penalty is required by all countries that have banned the death penalty on human rights grounds, not just the UK but all of Europe and much of the world.
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