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Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by Bjorkbat »

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/7-us-cities-that-will-pay-yo...

Financial relocation incentives don't appear to be anything new, but the alternatives never seemed to ring any bells for me. Hard to pin down precisely, but I think part of it was the fact that a lot of them were asking you to settle down in what might as well be the frontier in terms of urban density and amenities, or maybe the city in question was a burnt-out husk of its former self (a different kind of frontier almost), or maybe the incentive wasn't so much cash as much as loan assistance or some other thing that doesn't sound as sexy.

Looking at the website, pretty obvious that they're not asking me to settle in a small town or a burnt-out husk of a city. Despite my biases against Oklahoma, I get the sense that this is a pretty exciting place to be. On top of that, the incentives actually seem very practical. It's cash, plain and simple.

I like it, if you couldn't already tell.

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Post by Matthias247 »

rmason wrote: post #2

I predict this is going to start a trend. For a whole lot less than the $48,000 a job municipalities paid to attract Amazon why not spend a fifth of that and draw in thousands of remote workers?

As long as there is not also a trend at companies to offer more remote jobs that unfortunately won't help too much.

I would appreciate it if both things become a trend.

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Post by thatcloudguy »

Forge36 wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #6

They sound desperate. Why would you move from one place to another place to be a remote worker for a third place? This would make more sense if there were businesses in Tulsa which needed more workers.

Tulsa wants your tax income. If Tulsa can make it attractive, and a person's cost of living is reduced some people may take them up on the offer. Since many remote works choose where to live, a paid opportunity to move could be an ideal situation. Tulsa has made an offer, that you aren't interested does not mean Tulsa is desperate.

But in actual fact, they are desperate. Property values are dropping, they can't attract people to live there because it's an exceptionally boring place to live.

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Post by dougmwne »

Both Oklahoma and Vermont have close to a 5% state income tax on the first 100k of income, so for many on HN, this is more like a rebate on state income taxes over the first 2 years. I guess if you always dreamed of moving to these places this could be that little nudge to finally try it out.

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Post by irl_zebra »

This is very cool, great website too. I actually looked up Tulsa while reading this. Well done. When I search Tulsa in Google maps the default street view is a desert looking place though. I wonder if they could affect that.

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Post by robotresearcher »

whateveracct wrote: post #7
Animats wrote: post #6

They sound desperate. Why would you move from one place to another place to be a remote worker for a third place? This would make more sense if there were businesses in Tulsa which needed more workers.

I'm pretty sure they want you to move there and continue working where you already work (remotely).

They do. According to CBS you don't qualify for the benefits if you take a local job.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tulsa-oklahoma-will-pay-you-100...

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Post by OhSoHumble »

soared wrote: post #3

Similar initiative from Vermont: https://qz.com/work/1289727/vermont-will-pay-you-10000-to-mo...

I looked into moving to Vermont but the main problem was that there was an extreme lack of housing. The cities in Vermont are incredibly small and have very little in the way of new developments. I tried trawling Craigslist but I just couldn't find many attractive places to live.

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Post by Tehchops »

thatcloudguy wrote: post #13
Forge36 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tulsa wants your tax income. If Tulsa can make it attractive, and a person's cost of living is reduced some people may take them up on the offer. Since many remote works choose where to live, a paid opportunity to move could be an ideal situation. Tulsa has made an offer, that you aren't interested does not mean Tulsa is desperate.

But in actual fact, they are desperate. Property values are dropping, they can't attract people to live there because it's an exceptionally boring place to live.

The political climate and the absolutely horrid public school funding are doing far more to drive educated white-collar workers away than arbitrary measures of "excitement" ever will.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Post by sethhochberg »

thatcloudguy wrote: post #13
Forge36 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tulsa wants your tax income. If Tulsa can make it attractive, and a person's cost of living is reduced some people may take them up on the offer. Since many remote works choose where to live, a paid opportunity to move could be an ideal situation. Tulsa has made an offer, that you aren't interested does not mean Tulsa is desperate.

But in actual fact, they are desperate. Property values are dropping, they can't attract people to live there because it's an exceptionally boring place to live.

I have worked full-time remote for almost my entire career, yet I've ended up in big cities exclusively (aside from a couple of few-month stints in a far-flung place every now and then). Why?

- most places who beg for workers of any kind are really boring

- I don't ever want to live somewhere where I'd feel like I'd have a really hard time finding a new job if my current job fell through

- since I'm remote, and travel a lot, access to nonstop flights to almost anywhere is a massive convenience

These kind of programs can probably be a great deal for a very narrow slice of remote workers, the freelancers who are at a stage in their life where a big house and yard and easy access to Costco is more important than arts and culture and nightlife and being able to pick from 2 nonstops to LA or London every hour. And thats OK.

The only catch is probably whether the cities who are offering incentives to family-minded remote workers who don't care about the big city amenities can offer school districts and parks and stuff like that which is important to that audience... "Tulsa" doesn't exactly have a brand that makes me think of it as a place to raise a well-rounded child with diverse educational and extracurricular opportunities, but that could very well just be a branding problem.

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