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Western Australia’s Fastbrick robot building home in three days a ‘world-first’

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Their system uses some custom adhesive as do some of the other systems around. The catch is how will this adhesive hold up in 30 years and are you brave enough to be that it works well on your house compared to the saving of using conventional systems? This is why innovation in building is slow. Fail fast is not possible. And there are often side effects. Just ask people with a metal framed house that creaks when it…

Australia has extremely strict building regulations, codes and inspections. (My brother just built his own house there...) I feel extremely confident this has been tested thoroughly, and it would not be allowed if it has not passed all tests.

The regulations do not handle reliability, only registration of detected failures.

Most building methods that are not known to fail catastrophically are allowed. (Including among others fires, water handling, short term structural collapse and invalid administration as well as cheating on plan vs implementation.)

So it is mostly bureaucracy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it will change little as long as the bottleneck is land and permits. And that the profits on each units are to be maximized. I also wonder about reliability of such houses - that remains to be seen.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about construction. I think it'd be great to have some sort of automation in place for the simple & repetitive stuff (bricklaying), but it feels like we're a long way off from fully automated on-site house construction. Possibly solved with prefabs? > And that the profits on each units are to be maximized. Wouldn't this benefit the construction company, since it brings costs down? (i.e. wag…

Yes, it would, but it will not solve the actual problem of availability and affordability.

The construction company has little incentive to drop costs by much.

As for prefabs, they are already widely used. What do you think those bricks are, or the big chunks of concrete used for roofs? Or perhaps the components used for balconies?

If you mean to make even more complex patterns, the trouble becomes applicability. Not everyone wants to live in the exactly identical house and most deployments have a quirk or few to adapt.

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Their system uses some custom adhesive as do some of the other systems around. The catch is how will this adhesive hold up in 30 years and are you brave enough to be that it works well on your house compared to the saving of using conventional systems? This is why innovation in building is slow. Fail fast is not possible. And there are often side effects. Just ask people with a metal framed house that creaks when it…

There have been 'alternative' adhesives (i.e. not mortar) on the market for decades. Mortar is just hard to beat on price and flexibility. But the question 'are there non-mortar ways to build and are they safe' has been answered.

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By this sample residential construction schedule for a 6,000 sq-ft custom home[1], it looks like they've theoretically managed to cut a 9-day job down to 3 without addressing the negotiation of foundation imperfections, plumbing, electrical, rebar reinforcement, air gaps, structural arches, and random site obstructions to name a few. Cool tech and surely a step in the right direction, but if we're still talking about…

There is no shortage of workers, but a shortage of workers who want to do heavy physical labor for almost free and storage of training for free.

Nobody wants to actually invest in work.

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Brick work and framing are two of the easiest and fastest steps in building a house. They are using an expensive system to do the cheapest steps. Essentially, they are answering a question no one asked. The expensive and time consuming parts are everything else; something this system does not address.

Actually, I think this may be a real time-saver for quick builds where you need an extra building like a garage or extra storage space. As others have pointed out there are some flaws in the wall in that article and it might not be optimal for housing, but for quick and dirty jobs it will most likely do fine. Construction as a service! :)

The timber frame itself and the exterior cladding for a traditional garage is extremely easy to build. Two relatively untrained guys with a stack of planks, a mitre saw and a nail gun can build that even quicker than this robot. The expensive and time consuming parts are the foundation work and the roof, which this doesn't address at all.

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So this is their video from 2 years ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bW1vuCgEaA and they are a penny stock (3.5 cents to over 20 cents on the news). The video on the web site doesn't work for me but I would be interested in seeing a video of this thing building an actual house.

I took it as up 3.5c. I.e. 16.5c to 20c

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about construction. I think it'd be great to have some sort of automation in place for the simple & repetitive stuff (bricklaying), but it feels like we're a long way off from fully automated on-site house construction. Possibly solved with prefabs? > And that the profits on each units are to be maximized. Wouldn't this benefit the construction company, since it brings costs down? (i.e. wag…

Yes, it would, but it will not solve the actual problem of availability and affordability. The construction company has little incentive to drop costs by much. As for prefabs, they are already widely used. What do you think those bricks are, or the big chunks of concrete used for roofs? Or perhaps the components used for balconies? If you mean to make even more complex patterns, the trouble becomes applicability. Not…

> Not everyone wants to live in the exactly identical house

Sure, what about when it costs 5-20x less?

At least in boat building you can either have:

A. Boat designed and built by someone random in a shed.

B. Boat mass produced by a company of hundreds of years of tradition and knowledge.

With some rare exceptions, you'll always want the second option. The bugs have been worked out, everything is ergonomic and safe. Easy to find parts even if they are of inferior quality.

I really don't get why houses have such a special attention. It's the most expensive possession people can have and they wanna build in a way that it's even more expensive and prone to error. Imagine if everyone built their own car...

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No photos of the house, a broken video, and zero details on things like roofing, plumbing, in-wall wiring, etc. Oh wait, it’s a penny stock? Color me surprised...

I'm not sure what you mean by the broken video - most likely you have an ad blocker enabled.

the ad video works fine, the content video just spins

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Brick work and framing are two of the easiest and fastest steps in building a house. They are using an expensive system to do the cheapest steps. Essentially, they are answering a question no one asked. The expensive and time consuming parts are everything else; something this system does not address.

Cost of labor in Western Australia is unusually high, for a variety of factors including a series of tolling resources booms.

Plus for some reason most people want a double brick home.

This makes a lot of sense in those contexts.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by the broken video - most likely you have an ad blocker enabled.

the ad video works fine, the content video just spins

Strange, I'm not seeing that in Firefox 63.0.1 on macOS 10.13 once I disable AdBlock Plus. Though to be honest, you're not missing anything, it's clearly a company supplied video.
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