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Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by mcbain »

outworlder wrote: post #110
ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

> Other things like a lack of presence in China could be challenging in the future as well. Well, to be fair, NONE of the big clouds have any presence in China. They are "in China" in name only. For instance, 'AWS' China is not AWS, you will be dealing with Sinnet for Beijing or whoever else operates the Ningxia region. The underlying software is a baby version which doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of feat…

I’m not sure what you are angling at here.

The China regions might not have all the AWS services present, and they have some extra restrictions, but they aren’t some kind of clones of AWS software.

Unless I’m missing something, they are the same versions of what runs in the other regions.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by tmvnty »

I'd like to comment a few things made me appreciate and enjoy Google/Cloud services and I am aware they are very subjective to my personal experience as a student and beginner to web dev, but there are many folks like me so I could be speaking for them too.

Resources, Resources and Resources! As a self-taught web developer, I struggled a lot when it comes to learning anything about web developments, and whenever I found some good resources, be articles/guides/tutorials/videos, they always came back to the Google team. Their sites/content such as the Google Developers, Web Fundamentals, Firebase/Google Chrome Developers Youtube channels and so much more, are very beginner friendly and it is all focused on web developments too. Google Web Fundamentals and MDN are essentially my go-to recommendations for any web dev beginners.

Meanwhile, AWS and Azure seemed very enterprise-y and aimed at industry veterans. AWS dashboard and documentation interface daunts me, and while I'm aware other resource sites such as Udemy, Pluralsight or Front End Masters have excellent courses on AWS, but I do not find them to be extensive and easy to learn as Google ones, and they aren't free either. Azure? I think in terms of good documentation and learning resources, it is definitely in the third place when compared to Google/AWS.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by gumby »

VikingCoder wrote: post #73
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I can't even tell you how many connectivity and graphics technologies MS launched, I developed on, and then they abandoned. I struggle to understand why people think MS deserves enterprise trust & goodwill.

> I struggle to understand why people think MS deserves enterprise trust & goodwill.

I don't like MS (so am not trying to defend them from a partisan PoV) but I believe most of their revenues still come from enterprise, and I think enterprise customers don't encounter the same level of problems.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by masonicb00m »

Someone wrote: post #123
willismichael wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure it was bleeding edge. That's not the point. Bleeding edge doesn't mean that your support has to be completely broken like this.

I wouldn’t call that “completely broken”. You can argue it took too long, or that having to give that advice for the reason given is stupid, or that the customer didn’t want to get that advice, but in the example the customer managed to get through to customer support and got clear, actionable advice. I frequently read worse on HN about Google, where even reaching tech support can be ‘challenging”, and Apple, where a…

I have interacted with Apple’s app reviewers for years and never experienced what you’re describing.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by thanatropism »

briffle wrote: post #42
thanatropism wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps left probably thousands of small, barely viable projects with their shorts down and no belt.

Funny how everyone here complains about Google maps changing their licensing, but nobody brings up MS changing changing from per socket to per core licensing a few years ago. That burned several medium businesses I know.

Probably not a lot of people used Microsoft services then.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by why_only_15 »

MR4D wrote: post #140

I predict they will settle for fourth - after Apple. Give it 2 years, 4 tops.

Why do you think that Apple will enter the cloud? Apple hasn't been a real contender in servers for a decade, and it seems like their strength lies more in the design than in raw technical capabilities.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by navinsylvester »

Would like to cover few points discussed here.

I don't think its fair to judge cloud platforms competency with just the market share since there are players like Microsoft/Oracle who have lot of enterprise foothold. I have used all other major cloud providers and as a power user, have found GCP to be rock solid.

Paid support is the only option with all major cloud platforms if you want faster response. I think all of them need to get better at it.

Cloud providers can literally break your business with a price hike so be very careful when you build your stack. Don't tangle yourself by consuming vendor locked features. Make sure your stack can be migrated over to another provider at very short notice or have at least a footprint with other providers in parallel.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by Aloha »

slededit wrote: post #135
gruez wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Windows 10 you can still install 16-bit apps what? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/896458/64-bit-versi...

They ship 32-bit versions still to support those people. As a former msft engineer it was a huge pain in the ass to have to build the 32-bit version all the time - but customers used and relied on it.

And the technical reason is you cant run NTVDM when the processor is in long mode, because Virtual 8086 Mode cant be run from Long Mode.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by romed »

awad wrote: post #72

Snap and Spotify account for 13.7% of Google Cloud: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/spotify-will-spend-nearly-45...

Snap doesn't spend it all on what you are all discussing here, though. Even though it's wrapped up in Google Cloud marketing, Snap's main use seems to be of App Engine, a product that is clearly in the lead among comparable products, as opposed to things like GCS and GCE which are clearly behind S3 and AWS, respectively.

Snap also has a huge contract with AWS, for what it's worth. Other large customers like Apple also split their ticket between Amazon and Google.

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