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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sridca » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:19 AM UTC

dandv wrote: post #169

ChristianBundy wrote: post #47

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I don't mind my Chromebook, but I don't think I'll ever go back to Chrome OS. I purchased my Chromebook Pixel (2015, codename Samus) with the same idea, and it was great for the first few months: I slowly started using Google products for everything , so my development work usually meant using the SSH extension[0] and connecting to a Google Cloud machine I rented. It appealed to my "digital nomad" tendencies, and rea…

$50 buys you a very beefy VPS, IMO overkill if you're just trying to learn Linux. Digital Ocean and Linode both have $5/mo VPSes with 1GB of RAM and 25GB of SSD storage. But yes, as the other commenter said, your experience might be different if you tried Crostini. I use a Pixelbook at work (I'm one of the speakers) daily and have abandoned the MBP.

I develop using GHCJS, so 32GB memory is recommended. But there is no Chromebook with that much RAM, is there?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sridca » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:20 AM UTC

chewz wrote: post #78

I am really happy with ChromeOS + Debian Stretch (via crouton not crostini) running on my Macbook Pro Retina. It has taken away all pains of macOS, the screen estate and keyboard (2015 model) are great. What's not to like? But what I like most is the ability to re-create my working environment on any hardware from USB key in 15 minutes.

> what I like most is the ability to re-create my working environment on any hardware from USB key in 15 minutes

Could you elaborate on this?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sridca » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:21 AM UTC

stupidbird wrote: post #90

I'd consider switching if I could get that 75% discount.

For what it's worth, Lenovo is running a 40% discount on the X series this week (Canadian EPP).

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by kakarot » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:38 AM UTC

shams93 wrote: post #64

philips wrote: post #34

Anecdote: I stopped using OSX for primary development about 7 months ago and started using a Pixelbook + Crostini exclusively. Par - Hassle free desktop experience on par with OSX - Password managers, music apps, etc available via Android appstore Advantages - Fast time to productivity because Crostini takes a few clicks, then apt-get everything - Native "File Manager" integration makes it painless to move files to a…

I'd try using firefox instead of chrome for your development browser, I do a lot with webrtc and find myself in permissions hell with chrome so my main system is ubuntu with firefox rather than chrome these days. I use a mac for mobile development because its handy to be able to handle ios and android with the same system.

9/10 times when I experience a bug while doing front-end, it's only in Chrome.

Because of this I had to switch to Chrome for my default dev browser purely to save time and catch bugs early. I hate it...

My solution to permissions hell is to create a separate "unsafe" launcher for a version of Chrome that uses a profile with some security features disabled.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by mav3rick » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:45 AM UTC

heartbreak wrote: post #81

mav3rick wrote: post #42

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With all due respect WSL will always be behind Google's implementation. WSL implements a subset of linux syscalls to get compatibility. Crostini's guest OS is a Debian image so there are less compatibility challenges than WSL.

Let's compare apples to apples, then. I can run a full Debian guest in a VM on Windows, too. That's not new, but that appears to be the demonstrated capability of ChromeOS here. WSL is a step further in that it's _not_ virtualized.

apples to apples- WSL is the implementation that's integrated with Windows not a random VM running Linux. Chrome OS has a VM solution that's integrated with Chrome OS (files, apps in the same menus). The comparison is fair.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by mav3rick » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:47 AM UTC

dman wrote: post #100

stickfigure wrote: post #72

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Not if you measure in $/yr of service. Also... you've got to treat a laptop pretty gingerly to have one last more than 5 years. Mine are in pretty rough shape by then.

On the price front - https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-300... - that is a windows laptop for $180. Do you think a chromebook will have better $/year than that? On the durability front - I guess you dont use thinkpads :)

Good luck with Windows on 32 GB.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by pkulak » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:02 AM UTC

enos_feedler wrote: post #31

pkulak wrote: post #6

I'm still waiting on good Docker support. Word is it's close, but I don't know if it's there right now. Really all I need in a dev machine is a Unix + docker + IDE, so this is pretty interesting.

A patch has been merged to fix an issue that was preventing docker from working. I don't think the patch has made it's way into a proper docker release yet but I am using a custom build and it's been working fine for a month on my pixelbook. I do container development and control a GKE cluster with kubectl as well. More details on the docker patch here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/9jabhq/docker_now...

Nice, thanks for the info!

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by jaxn » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:56 AM UTC

mav3rick wrote: post #54

overcast wrote: post #49

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I haven't run into any compatibility problems, and was able to get my environment running identical to the production server. So how does what you said affect my experience? It works without jumping further into Google's uncertain ecosystem. And when I'm not working, I can fire up my Steam library, all on the same machine.

And that's great. But there will be edge cases when it won't behave like stock Linux. If you do give Crostini a try would love to hear your views :) cheers

The only issues I have found that are inconsistent with stock Linux are on hardware and X11 support. For rails/node/Vue development, WSL is Linux through and through.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by snaky » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:29 AM UTC

soared wrote: post #56

If anyone is looking to pick up a chromebook, I maintain an ongoing list of chromebook black friday deals that includes most of the relevant specs (except linux/android support) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12L9SM7k-Z6LSsGvdi7do...

That's great, but it would be nice to add a column 'could you install other OS on it'.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by dman » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:30 AM UTC

mav3rick wrote: post #186

dman wrote: post #100

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On the price front - https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-300... - that is a windows laptop for $180. Do you think a chromebook will have better $/year than that? On the durability front - I guess you dont use thinkpads :)

Good luck with Windows on 32 GB.

This has 64 GB for ~260 - http://plugandgear.com/lenovo-ideapad-120s-11-6-inch-hd-lapt...

At any rate I hope you agree that 5 years (from launch) is not a long time to support a device. This policy is wasteful to the environment and not empathetic towards a large section of users who would find it challenging to divert a few hundred dollars every 3-5 years.