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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by PascLeRasc »

overcast wrote: post #112
Lio wrote: post #68

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If you're unhappy with Google's surveillance surely you'd want to avoid swapping that with Microsoft's surveillance/telemetry? MS Security have the right to dip into you machine anytime they fancy it too.

Don't have a choice if I want to play games. Might as well make use of the machine when I'm not, otherwise I'm on my 10+ year old MacPro because Apple decided they are abandoning the developers that made them billions.

Have you given Steam Proton a chance? I don't play PC games but it seems pretty stable.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by johnatwork »

nbar1 wrote: post #26
resters wrote: post #22

Ready for web development just as it starts to achieve price parity with a macbook. I'd argue that this is largely a failure of the initial vision of a lightweight OS that can run very well on low cost hardware.

Only the Google Chromebooks are priced high, and still isn't even close to the Macbook. There are many offerings from other company for just a few hundred dollars that run Chrome OS.

But those cheap Chromebooks won't run Crostini right?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by throw2016 »

mooman219 wrote: post #73
idm wrote: post #46

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I made a separate account for the Chromebook. I don't associate any personal info with this account. Of course, most people will reuse their existing accounts, but it's not strictly required to provide personal details in order to use a Chromebook.

Do you have an example of when your were personally attacked with you private data by Google? If you're going to say ads in general, you know targeting can be disabled? I see all this constant distrust towards Google, but they're probably the best example of keeping your data secure. (According to market share) 99% of people are running an OS that collects some amount of telemetry data about them already, but Chrome…

Privacy is not just some vague 'great to have' value. The opposite of privacy is surveillance, which democracy by its very definition excludes, but happens to be a key feature of totalitarianism.

Everyone knows the consequences of surveillance, there is no need to wait for consequences to be concerned. The casual disregard and lack of appreciation of the values that make modern societies possible is concerning.

Hand waving away surveillance infrastructure and seeking to normalize invasive surveillance is in the interest of companies like Google who profit from it, but for citizens to be blase suggests a reckless disregard of historical record and the societies they live in.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by celkam »

agundy wrote: post #102

I paired a Dell Chromebook 13 with SSH to a permanently on desktop for my senior year of college. Worked great: 12 hours of battery life, light, cheap laptop and the development environment was the same on the move or at home. Tmux sessions with Vim means I could keep my laptop in my backpack and pick up where I left off on the desktop. SSH tunnels allowed any web dev work to be painless too. I would recommend if you…

Before Crostini this is exactly what my setup was, just using a droplet on DO.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by celkam »

0xCMP wrote: post #20

Been using edge releases on my Pixelbook i7 for a few months. Much of this is pretty baked. I wish USB support was here so I could use my Yubikey 5c to do SSH, but otherwise it's fine. From my experience Docker works fine. VS Code works well. You can install your own Terminal if you want. Note for the demo in the video they ran Chromium inside the VM so localhost would work. Otherwise you need to use the penguin.linu…

Certain ports are bound to localhost from the container for "popular applications"

https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/99s3t9/wellknown_...

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by celkam »

bsaul wrote: post #92
liamcardenas wrote: post #86

Around this time: https://youtu.be/QTmAtXoPkgw?t=256 (4:16 into the video) it talks about how ChromeOS runs Android, Linux, and ChromeOS apps natively, in a performant and secure manner, without emulation using a combination of containers and hardware virtualization. This strikes me as very similar to Qubes' security model. Very interesting to see this architecture developed by a company like Google.

What do you mean by "without emulation ... using hardware virtualization" ? Is the difference that hardware of the VM has to match the one of the real hardware ?

Yes. In emulation, you have one chip architecture trying to mock the behavior of another chip architecture (like running ARM code on x86). In virtualization, you're setting up secure contexts, but sending the instruction for the code in the container straight to the CPU without translation.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by amelius »

kllrnohj wrote: post #137
amelius wrote: post #132

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The problem is incentives. Ubuntu has no incentive to take your information. Google has. That means that even if you change the settings, you don't know if they will ask you in some obscure dialog box to turn it back on, etc. Or they will say "you upgraded, but you didn't turn off the setting again? that's your fault then". Sneaky tricks like this are happening all the time. Only if the incentives are right I can beg…

> Ubuntu has no incentive to take your information. Of course they do, money. Why else do you think they sold out to Amazon and sent them all your search data? https://www.zdnet.com/article/shuttleworth-defends-ubuntu-li... What's the old saying, "if you didn't pay for it you are the product"? How much does Ubuntu cost again? Oh, right, you don't pay for it.

Ubuntu backed out of the Amazon search deal after community pressure:

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-fea...

But you're right, if they pull another trick like this in the future, I'm switching to a different distribution.

I think the comparison with Google is still way off, by the way. Android is basically ad/malware, and there is no reason to believe ChromeOS will be much different.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by celkam »

jjuel wrote: post #83
overcast wrote: post #27

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My suggestion right now(from a Mac user), is a Windows 10 machine with the Linux subsystem installed. You'll have an entire Linux environment integrated into Windows, giving you the best of both worlds. Supported software, hardware, and your natural development environment. Honestly, I'm weary of moving anything to Google with their track record of just abandoning projects, and privacy concerns.

Crostini isn't as mature yet as WSL is, but Crostini is better in my opinion.

If Crostini gets USB support before WSL, though...

Once they add this and fix the lack of GPU support, I'll finally be down to one travel laptop.

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