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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by benologist »

staticassertion wrote: post #97
benologist wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be disingenuous to say that about Ubuntu and all other operating systems when Google is the only one willfully and proactively abusing privacy all over the globe and aspiring to go even further to help China crush dissidents.

Unless you can point me to instrumentation on ChromeOS that I should be concerned with, I'm going to not assume that "all of my data" is going to Google.

Violating your privacy does not require all of your data.

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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by overcast »

Lio wrote: post #68
overcast wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion right now(from a Mac user), is a Windows 10 machine with the Linux subsystem installed. You'll have an entire Linux environment integrated into Windows, giving you the best of both worlds. Supported software, hardware, and your natural development environment. Honestly, I'm weary of moving anything to Google with their track record of just abandoning projects, and privacy concerns.

If you're unhappy with Google's surveillance surely you'd want to avoid swapping that with Microsoft's surveillance/telemetry? MS Security have the right to dip into you machine anytime they fancy it too.

Don't have a choice if I want to play games. Might as well make use of the machine when I'm not, otherwise I'm on my 10+ year old MacPro because Apple decided they are abandoning the developers that made them billions.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by ggpsv »

agundy wrote: post #102

I paired a Dell Chromebook 13 with SSH to a permanently on desktop for my senior year of college. Worked great: 12 hours of battery life, light, cheap laptop and the development environment was the same on the move or at home. Tmux sessions with Vim means I could keep my laptop in my backpack and pick up where I left off on the desktop. SSH tunnels allowed any web dev work to be painless too. I would recommend if you…

Can you expand on this? What OS were you running your desktop?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by foldr »

pjmlp wrote: post #74
jvagner wrote: post #59

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OK, is Crostini different than the Linux VM? 'cause that does work.

Having a proper battery friendly dual core GNU/Linux laptop with 8GB, which sometimes struggles to load everything, having seen the hardware specifications of Pixelbook, the testing platform for Crostini, I have some doubts anything less powerful can take the load of Chrome + Android containers + Linux VM/containers, including the required harddisk space. Crostini is the codename for the official Linux VM support.

I used Crostini without issues on an Acer Chromebook 13 while traveling for a week or so. The performance was as good as you would expect for a laptop in that category. I didn't find it noticeably worse than when I used Crouton (which isn't behind a virtualization layer).

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by zwaps »

staticassertion wrote: post #97
benologist wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be disingenuous to say that about Ubuntu and all other operating systems when Google is the only one willfully and proactively abusing privacy all over the globe and aspiring to go even further to help China crush dissidents.

Unless you can point me to instrumentation on ChromeOS that I should be concerned with, I'm going to not assume that "all of my data" is going to Google.

Thing is, whether its ChromeOS or Windows, you are not allowed to look at what exactly they are sending or not sending, and you literally sign a contract saying that they can collect whatever they want and use it however they want.

Google has a history of downright ignoring your privacy setting for the benefit of getting more data. And they are aggressively trying to associate you with more devices. It's also not even that they want usage data specifically, they are in the business of building data rich personalized profiles of you, for whatever use they decide on later.

Whether or not you are concerned is up to you. I don't see any advantage of ChromeOS over Linux that would, for me, be worth the risk.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by porphyrogene »

zwaps wrote: post #18

So it does everything that Linux does, but you can also send all your personal data automatically to google. Wow, what a value proposition!

My android phone (which I have stopped using) sends ads as notifications based on my location. Usually it's just asking me to review something nearby but they have suggested that I visit somewhere (McDonald's, for example) then leave a review. If I turn off location services Google Maps pretends that it cannot access information like my saved addresses even though I can see them on the map. It will not allow me to use them to set a route or refer to them in any way, they are only visible as pins on the map. If Chrome OS becomes as ubiquitous as Android I'm sure such "features" will be soon to follow. People who are cynical about taking seriously Google's harvesting and usage of user data are delusional to have so much faith in them. Our last hope is that many developers still care about privacy and security. Chrome OS for web development is an unacceptable proposition.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by pjmlp »

foldr wrote: post #114
pjmlp wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a proper battery friendly dual core GNU/Linux laptop with 8GB, which sometimes struggles to load everything, having seen the hardware specifications of Pixelbook, the testing platform for Crostini, I have some doubts anything less powerful can take the load of Chrome + Android containers + Linux VM/containers, including the required harddisk space. Crostini is the codename for the official Linux VM support.

I used Crostini without issues on an Acer Chromebook 13 while traveling for a week or so. The performance was as good as you would expect for a laptop in that category. I didn't find it noticeably worse than when I used Crouton (which isn't behind a virtualization layer).

Thanks for the feedback, was it the 4 GB or 8 GB model?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by type0 »

rifung wrote: post #107
azangru wrote: post #2

Interesting. Any advantage of using Chrome OS for Web development compared to just any plain Linux distro (e.g. Ubuntu)? Or, even more interesting, compared to MacOS? Because from the video, it feels as if Crostini is a second-class citizen on Chrome OS (all that talk about Linux in a container). Why choose Chrome OS at all?

Disclaimer I work at Google My own personal reason is that I have never had an ideal experience running Linux on laptops. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy tinkering and it was fun when I was in school, but nowadays I don't have much time so if I want to develop something I don't want my time to be spent fixing technical difficulties. With Chrome OS the main benefit to me is the same as running OS X or Windows: you don't h…

> With Chrome OS the main benefit to me is the same as running OS X or Windows: you don't have to worry about your stuff working.

Has not been my experience with either of these three. There are plenty of Linux distros that are miles more stable.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by agundy »

ggpsv wrote: post #113
agundy wrote: post #102

I paired a Dell Chromebook 13 with SSH to a permanently on desktop for my senior year of college. Worked great: 12 hours of battery life, light, cheap laptop and the development environment was the same on the move or at home. Tmux sessions with Vim means I could keep my laptop in my backpack and pick up where I left off on the desktop. SSH tunnels allowed any web dev work to be painless too. I would recommend if you…

Can you expand on this? What OS were you running your desktop?

Ran Ubuntu Desktop, nothing fancy, just had it always on and I never even worried about doing dynamic DNS, my internet provider basically never rotated IP's. Experimented with Crouton on the Chromebook but the switching and experience wasn't as great as just using pure ChromeOS. Surprisingly fast development environment for being off the host but college Wifi was reliable and fast and there weren't many hops to my desktop.
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