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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by benologist »

staticassertion wrote: post #89
amelius wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll probably never know exactly. Better be safe than sorry.

You could say that about Ubuntu or any other operating system. "Better safe than sorry" abused this way will lead to no more computers - not the worst future, but I'd at least be out of a job.

It would be disingenuous to say that about Ubuntu and all other operating systems when Google is the only one willfully and proactively abusing privacy all over the globe and aspiring to go even further to help China crush dissidents.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by bsaul »

liamcardenas wrote: post #86

Around this time: https://youtu.be/QTmAtXoPkgw?t=256 (4:16 into the video) it talks about how ChromeOS runs Android, Linux, and ChromeOS apps natively, in a performant and secure manner, without emulation using a combination of containers and hardware virtualization. This strikes me as very similar to Qubes' security model. Very interesting to see this architecture developed by a company like Google.

What do you mean by "without emulation ... using hardware virtualization" ? Is the difference that hardware of the VM has to match the one of the real hardware ?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by zwaps »

writepub wrote: post #70
zwaps wrote: post #18

So it does everything that Linux does, but you can also send all your personal data automatically to google. Wow, what a value proposition!

Just pointing out that windows and Mac collect comparable amounts of personal information, especially if you want to use their app stores. Oh, and Ubuntu siphons data to Amazon. So - if you really want no one snooping around by default, you should be on a more obscure Linux distro, that so devs don't support out of the box. For instance, one can find a Spotify app for Ubuntu/Debain, but you'll have to struggle on Arc…

I have literally found anything, 100% of what I needed, available for Manjaro/Arch. Your mileage will vary, but installing spotify takes one command.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by danans »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #88

So do we still have to be in developer mode with new chromebooks to do this? Currently, I have a semi-old chromebook with crouton, which means I have to be in developer mode, which means I risk deleting my entire disk at every boot. Someone else erased it some years ago, thinking that hitting space at boot was the right choice when prompted with "This system is unsafe, press space to erase entire disk"...

No. This all runs in regular mode.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by zwaps »

mooman219 wrote: post #73
idm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a separate account for the Chromebook. I don't associate any personal info with this account. Of course, most people will reuse their existing accounts, but it's not strictly required to provide personal details in order to use a Chromebook.

Do you have an example of when your were personally attacked with you private data by Google? If you're going to say ads in general, you know targeting can be disabled? I see all this constant distrust towards Google, but they're probably the best example of keeping your data secure. (According to market share) 99% of people are running an OS that collects some amount of telemetry data about them already, but Chrome…

It's naive to think the data that is collected about you is harmless if it is secure.

Standard economic theory suggests that precise knowledge about your properties and preferences will, in the future, allow firms to extract the maximum profit from you, to your detriment. Google is already heavily investing the health sector, for example.

Not only does Google have a lot of broad data associated with your person, for example, any symptoms of disease you ever plugged into search, but we are also talking about an OS, which has absolute supremacy about anything you do on that computer.

That is why we should care, and that is why a comparision even to amazon or facebook is not accurate here. In this particular case, the breadth and depth of the possibilities to get data about you are unusual.

And keep in mind we are arguing about an OS that is technically not even open-source.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by antoineMoPa »

danans wrote: post #94
antoineMoPa wrote: post #88

So do we still have to be in developer mode with new chromebooks to do this? Currently, I have a semi-old chromebook with crouton, which means I have to be in developer mode, which means I risk deleting my entire disk at every boot. Someone else erased it some years ago, thinking that hitting space at boot was the right choice when prompted with "This system is unsafe, press space to erase entire disk"...

No. This all runs in regular mode.

Great!

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by staticassertion »

benologist wrote: post #91
staticassertion wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say that about Ubuntu or any other operating system. "Better safe than sorry" abused this way will lead to no more computers - not the worst future, but I'd at least be out of a job.

It would be disingenuous to say that about Ubuntu and all other operating systems when Google is the only one willfully and proactively abusing privacy all over the globe and aspiring to go even further to help China crush dissidents.

Unless you can point me to instrumentation on ChromeOS that I should be concerned with, I'm going to not assume that "all of my data" is going to Google.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by zwaps »

jchw wrote: post #71
mosselman wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still sounds like something I’d not be interested in: having to be so defensive around the os. Apps are already annoying, but if you can’t trust the OS itself, then why bother with it at all?

That's the reality I feel every time I boot into Windows to be honest. I work at Google so I am definitely biased but candidly those OneDrive ads in Explorer pissed me off pretty badly, as does start menu ads, Cortana notifications, automatically installing Candy Crush, and so many other things. You can disable most of that, but then I hear there's still telemetry getting sent back to MSFT even after you disable ever…

For what's it worth, I have been using Linux as a side-OS since pre 2000, and only in the last two years has it become really good. It's now my main driver on all my machines and frankly I have started to prefer it.

This has never happened in the ~20 years I have been using Linux and other OS. Linux went from "meh" to just as good pretty recently, imo.

Furthermore, this is just a usability consideration. Don't forget that all other OS become more and more closed, more and more about collecting private data, and more and more about proprietary app stores.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by machbio »

benforreal wrote: post #58
SniperOwl wrote: post #38

Did he say 75% off? Can some elaborate the discount?

I was at the Chrome Dev Summit - we got 75% off coupons at registration, so it was advertised as for attendees only. Even so, it wasn't a real coupon code - you go to a site, enter the code, and tell them what app you're working and they get back to you. Not quite sure how "required" that is, but they were required form fields

Link to the website?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by dman »

stickfigure wrote: post #72
dman wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is worse than other alternatives - PCs and Mac machines.

Not if you measure in $/yr of service. Also... you've got to treat a laptop pretty gingerly to have one last more than 5 years. Mine are in pretty rough shape by then.

On the price front - https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-11-300... - that is a windows laptop for $180. Do you think a chromebook will have better $/year than that?

On the durability front - I guess you dont use thinkpads :)

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