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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by heartbreak »

mav3rick wrote: post #42
overcast wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion right now(from a Mac user), is a Windows 10 machine with the Linux subsystem installed. You'll have an entire Linux environment integrated into Windows, giving you the best of both worlds. Supported software, hardware, and your natural development environment. Honestly, I'm weary of moving anything to Google with their track record of just abandoning projects, and privacy concerns.

With all due respect WSL will always be behind Google's implementation. WSL implements a subset of linux syscalls to get compatibility. Crostini's guest OS is a Debian image so there are less compatibility challenges than WSL.

Let's compare apples to apples, then. I can run a full Debian guest in a VM on Windows, too. That's not new, but that appears to be the demonstrated capability of ChromeOS here. WSL is a step further in that it's _not_ virtualized.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by staticassertion »

zwaps wrote: post #18

So it does everything that Linux does, but you can also send all your personal data automatically to google. Wow, what a value proposition!

Really? All of your personal info? Like what?

What info from within my Linux container is being sent to Google?

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by jjuel »

overcast wrote: post #27
rb808 wrote: post #5

I'm thinking of getting a Chromebook for dev work, with the view of just using it as a dumb client for terminals and browser to cloud servers. I'm worried I'll buy then wish I bought a proper machine. Anyone thought the same then regretted it?

My suggestion right now(from a Mac user), is a Windows 10 machine with the Linux subsystem installed. You'll have an entire Linux environment integrated into Windows, giving you the best of both worlds. Supported software, hardware, and your natural development environment. Honestly, I'm weary of moving anything to Google with their track record of just abandoning projects, and privacy concerns.

Crostini isn't as mature yet as WSL is, but Crostini is better in my opinion.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by staticassertion »

azangru wrote: post #2

Interesting. Any advantage of using Chrome OS for Web development compared to just any plain Linux distro (e.g. Ubuntu)? Or, even more interesting, compared to MacOS? Because from the video, it feels as if Crostini is a second-class citizen on Chrome OS (all that talk about Linux in a container). Why choose Chrome OS at all?

I use my Pixelbook for development when I travel.

* I didn't have to set it up, install an OS, or anything. It was trivial to get Linux working (one click - hard to beat that) and I can use intellij and all the other stuff I'm used to.

* I get Android Apps, which is actually pretty neat - some good video players with touch screen support, for example. A fair number of games work, which is cool.

* Touch screen in general is actually awesome, maybe less for development but I find myself touching my screens when I walk away from my Chromebook and go to another computer. I never thought I'd enjoy a touch screen at all and now I want every future device I buy to have one.

* Safer than most systems. My dev environment is sequestered to a container, everything else stays in a sandboxed browser - my workflow on my Ubuntu system (main computer) is virtually identical to this already, but ChromeOS is designed for it.

Biggest problem is I compile my Rust programs in a docker container in the Linux environment and it brings my computer to a crawl. I can't develop or watch TV while compiling Rust.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by numbsafari »

lgleason wrote: post #61
philips wrote: post #34

Anecdote: I stopped using OSX for primary development about 7 months ago and started using a Pixelbook + Crostini exclusively. Par - Hassle free desktop experience on par with OSX - Password managers, music apps, etc available via Android appstore Advantages - Fast time to productivity because Crostini takes a few clicks, then apt-get everything - Native "File Manager" integration makes it painless to move files to a…

I've been using the Pixelbook i7 16gb/512 SSD as a travel machine for native Android development. Some other con's I've noticed. 1. Multi-monitor support can get a bit flaky when using more than one monitor. 2. While is is pretty speedy, you do run into performance limitations due to it only having a dual core processor. 3. Many Android apps are not as fully featured as their OS-X counterparts. Yes you could use them…

My understanding is that USB support is feature flagged in the dev channel, so it’s on its way.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by liamcardenas »

Around this time: https://youtu.be/QTmAtXoPkgw?t=256 (4:16 into the video)

it talks about how ChromeOS runs Android, Linux, and ChromeOS apps natively, in a performant and secure manner, without emulation using a combination of containers and hardware virtualization.

This strikes me as very similar to Qubes' security model. Very interesting to see this architecture developed by a company like Google.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by amelius »

staticassertion wrote: post #82
zwaps wrote: post #18

So it does everything that Linux does, but you can also send all your personal data automatically to google. Wow, what a value proposition!

Really? All of your personal info? Like what? What info from within my Linux container is being sent to Google?

You'll probably never know exactly.

Better be safe than sorry.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by antoineMoPa »

So do we still have to be in developer mode with new chromebooks to do this?

Currently, I have a semi-old chromebook with crouton, which means I have to be in developer mode, which means I risk deleting my entire disk at every boot. Someone else erased it some years ago, thinking that hitting space at boot was the right choice when prompted with "This system is unsafe, press space to erase entire disk"...

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by staticassertion »

amelius wrote: post #87
staticassertion wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? All of your personal info? Like what? What info from within my Linux container is being sent to Google?

You'll probably never know exactly. Better be safe than sorry.

You could say that about Ubuntu or any other operating system. "Better safe than sorry" abused this way will lead to no more computers - not the worst future, but I'd at least be out of a job.
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