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>Though the same caveat probably applies to all air purifiers too. So whatever reservations you have against plants as air purifiers apply verbatim to commercial air purifiers. Then why the bias against plants? Funny how you contradicted yourself, not to mention those downvoting me for speaking about plants and yet being enthusiastic about air filters!!

I didn't downvote you and I didn't contradict myself, I only posted a link that urges precise understanding of what the study does and does not show, and to what extent. I have no bias against plants or in favor of commercial air purifiers.

You did not downvote me. But you did contradict yourself.

On one hand you say the focus on NASA study is on the word "sealed". That would directly mean that you believe that plants as indoor purification would not be helpful if there was no sealed environment

And then you say that "the same thing would apply to air purifiers"

You clearly have a bias against plants, as do the few who downvoted me. I know you didn't downvote because HN doesn't allow you to do that!

The study which you have linked says that "more research needs to be done to check air purification" and guess what? They are going to do a study in a sealed environment because if a plant can remove Benzene, Formaldehyde and Toulene in a sealed environment then it can do the same when its not in a sealed environment. You cant5 shrug the results of NASA study saying "it was done in a n atypical environment", of course it was done in a sealed room.

The NASA study would have been refuted if no amount of Benzene was removed by plants. That'd mean that it is a waste of time and space for air purification, but they are not. Peace lily and Orchids removed Benzene. Period. Whether it was a sealed environment or not doesn't matter because results matter.

When a plant that costs less than 100$ has proven to remove harmful gases in a sealed room, I can't wrap my head around the logic of "debunking", the myth and going for a commercial air purifier that is costly af.

And why I say you contradicted yourself is that you criticized plants for being in a sealed room for being effective and then at the end you said "the same things apply to a regular sir purifer too"

This is exactly the fallacy Mr Trump had spoken to in a rally. He had said "I'll build a 100foot wall", the Mexicans will climb the wall, sure but they won't jump, unless of course they use ropes"

Yeah, they will use ropes and they will cross if they want to cross. That's not contradicting, it's a stupid logic.

Same issue with your case against house plants. "Keyword is sealed"

Which study has proven that air purifiers available in the market have done well in an aerated environment? The recommended way to use a commercial air purifier is to close doors and windows. Same issue as plants so if you recommend commercial purifiers over plants despite them both facing same shortcomings then you are biased against plants. End of story.

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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Important tip: if you set up an air purifier in your home, make sure to plug all drafts around your house: windows, doors, etc. Even a DIY purifier with small airflow can make your indoor air excellent if given enough time to do so and no leaks to fight against. If you want to get some fresh air in your home, do not leave a window half-open all day long—instead, open all your windows at once to cycle the air as fast…

How do you know you are measuring bad particles, and not good particles (like salts if you live nearby the sea)?

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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Important tip: if you set up an air purifier in your home, make sure to plug all drafts around your house: windows, doors, etc. Even a DIY purifier with small airflow can make your indoor air excellent if given enough time to do so and no leaks to fight against. If you want to get some fresh air in your home, do not leave a window half-open all day long—instead, open all your windows at once to cycle the air as fast…

Some data about effectiveness of air purifiers when leaving windows open: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/purifiers-useless-window...

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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If anyone is looking for general air purifier recommendations. I'm a huge fan of Coway systems.

I have pretty bad allergies purchased a Coway Airmega 300 for my 850sq ft studio. I've had it for about 6 months and been incredibly happy with it. I wrote some initial thoughts about it here.

https://productdork.com/t/coway-airmega-300-vs-400/56

It has to be the best looking air filter on the market—I wanted something that would look good in my place when I have people over. Beyond that it is extremely well designed and the pre-filters are super easy to clean. I got mine on sale for about $400.

For smaller rooms the Coway mighty is a better and more affordable pick. It doesn't look as nice, but it is currently at the top of The Wirecutter's air purifier recommendations. You can find it on sale for around $180.

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-air-purifier/

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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I don't know if these are effective, but in my country we have passive dehumidifiers which are basically containers with a load of salt or something like that which draws the moisture out of the air. Good enough to keep caravans in storage mold free. Probably not good enough for e.g. living rooms or actually moist locations, but maybe it scales up. Of course, you'd then need a lot of salt or whatever the stuff is.

I used the passive variant that you explained in my previous apartment and while it may be effective at keeping humidity down, it's not very effective in bringing a high humidity down. I got an electric dehumidifier and it's drastically more efficient. It pulls over two liters of water per day out of the air if the air is sufficiently humid. I've since moved, so I don't use it routinely anymore, but I still have it a…

My dehumidifier draws 4l per 8 hours.

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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Can we talk about Molekule? Their team and some SF tech community folks have been plugging it all over Twitter during this tragic wildfire crisis. But it seems like snake oil to me. It’s $800. Certainly for smoke particles it can’t possibly offer any more protection than a standard HEPA filter. But even for its claimed ability to nuke VOCs, the claim seems ridiculous. While particles can deterioriate under prolonged…

I agree it seems sketchy. NYTimes writes, “Unlike virtually all other air purifiers—and all we’ve tested—Molekule is not HEPA-rated and does not claim to eliminate micron-scale particulates with a filter. Instead it claims to remove smaller, nanoscale pollutants, including VOCs and viruses, via a chemical rather than a physical process. Out of curiosity, we requested a model for testing for VOC reduction, but Molekul…

> NYTimes writes, “Unlike...”

While the New York Times Co. did indeed purchase The Wirecutter/The Sweethome, there’s no reason to start attributing Wirecutter reviews to the parent company.

This is especially true in the settings of reviews, since the NYT performs its own reviews.

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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I wonder: if one is generally healthy and the air quality is unproblematic, should one get an air filter? Does air filtration potentially lower long term immunity and make us less tolerant to particulates? I worry about the long term effects of being “too clean”, that is, I think there’s something to hygiene theory of disease. The body needs small stressors and perturbations in order to thrive.

Generally I want to agree with you, but there is also research going the other way...

https://www.epa.gov/pm-pollution/health-and-environmental-ef...

Re: Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25

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In my experience a one-two punch with chloride to kill the mold quickly, followed by a dousing with distilled white vinegar, results in a good short and long term solution for surface mold.

Safety advice: If you decide to try this at home, please keep in mind that mixing chloride based cleaning agents with an acid will release chlorine, which is toxic enough to have been used as a WW1 weapon.

Or similarly toxic chloramine gas, when combined with cleaning agents containing ammonia, such as Mr. Clean.

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The CDC has some recommendations on it (yes you can have mold tested to see if it's dangerous): https://www.cdc.gov/mold/stachy.htm I'm not really sure about keeping the humidity below 50% though. The UK and most of Northern Europe has rather high humidity in the winter. It commonly reaches 80-90 RH outside, so you'd have to heat your house to 25c/77F to bring the humidity below 50%.

"The UK and most of Northern Europe has rather high humidity in the winter." Indoors? No, not at all. In the winter the temperature in my house/office is 21-22C and 17 at the lowest at night, and I have to run a humidifier 24/7 to keep the humidity over 30% (otherwise the wooding floors shrink too much).

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The CDC has some recommendations on it (yes you can have mold tested to see if it's dangerous): https://www.cdc.gov/mold/stachy.htm I'm not really sure about keeping the humidity below 50% though. The UK and most of Northern Europe has rather high humidity in the winter. It commonly reaches 80-90 RH outside, so you'd have to heat your house to 25c/77F to bring the humidity below 50%.

We do have cold winters but that does not mean we have high humidity indoors. Relative humidity means the water contents of the air at 0 degrees is very very low. The higher temperature, the more moisture the air can hold. So when you heat up the air the same amount of water shares a much lower percentage of what the air can hold. In winter the hygrometer is showing 100% moisture outdoors (because ours can't measure…

Yes, but that's my point. Where I'm currently living (UK, south coast) it's 15C at 77% RH outside, so to get below 50% RH inside the temperature needs to be at least 22C (which it isn't). It's not uncommon for the humidity to get up to 80-90% RH when it rains, and the temperature doesn't drop much.

When it gets to the cold part of winter it's obviously easier, but this time of year it's hard to get it below 50% RH inside just by controlling the temperature.

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