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UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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I know meteors seems to be a common theory, but do they normally travel that fast?

What I want to know is, do they tend to "bank and climb away"

If they go straight thru the atmosphere and out then yes, that is exactly as they would appear.

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Looking at the wiki page, it seems the population on the island is decreasing. Hopefully they will either all die, thus relieving us of the ethical dilemma, or India will come to its senses and stop the abuse of these poor people and actually help them. Its criminal that they are allowed to carry on without access to any of the modern world's technology or services. And of course the islanders that killed those fishe…

On the punishment for murder end of things, they neither know or accept Indian sovereignty, so applying Indian law on them doesn't make sense. As far as the Sentinelese are concerned they're being invaded. This is more similar to a case where a soldier that doesn't know the war is over kills someone. It doesn't make sense and isn't fair to prosecute them because they're working on old information that would make the…

As far as the Sentinelese are concerned, war is not over. Every time someone visits them, the invasion begins anew.

Meanwhile, we do have the technology to contact them without giving them lethal diseases. It doesn't have to be like the Americas all over again. We can screen potential visitors for a wide range of pathogens, make them wear protective suits, vaccinate the local population, and treat them if they get ill nonetheless. The problem is that they want none of it, so any attempt to vaccinate or treat them will end up being forceful.

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We also know that MK ULTRA and programs very similar to it, have been continued to present day.

> We also know that MK ULTRA and programs very similar to it, have been continued to present day. Do we though? People assume so, because it fits a paranoid narrative that allows them to "mind control" people, but I'm not aware of any actual proof that MK ULTRA or "programs very similar to it" continue to the present day. As far as I know the program was a failure, like experiments in remote viewing and attempts to s…

Though I won't support the claim you're replying too, we know that as of ten years ago there were still projects with a similar end goal as MK ULTRA, broadly developing "enhanced interrogation techniques." Not as easy to connect to any unexplained phenomena though.

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>But wouldn't an intelligent species capable of inter-galactic travel have some of the Federation style rules to obey? Don't interfere with a less intelligent civilization for fear of disruption or whatever? Even in the fictional universe of Star Trek, most intelligent civilizations couldn't care less about the prime directive, and even the Federation disregards it when it's convenient. There's no reason to assume th…

For all we know, they subscribe to the Rules of Acquisition rather than the Prime Directive.

1) "crash" a flying saucer in Roswell, New Mexico

2) secretly cultivate a pop cultural mythology around aliens and alien contact. Buzz around their aircraft and flash lights at them now and then just to keep them interested, but not too interested because you know how humans can get when they're too interested.

3) infiltrate human society with shapeshifting reptoids and own the rights to numerous sci-fi properties like Star Wars, Star Trek and Men in Black, to condition humans to be comfortable with the premise of alien contact and to build brand identity and loyalty.

4) build some Star Wars and Star Trek themed casinos out in deep space.

5) show up one day and offer to loan them a warp drive, but the warp drive just happens to always fail near a casino planet.

?) PROFIT.

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Now that everybody has a cellphone camera there are fewer UFO sitings instead of more, so it seems.

In what way does it seem like that? There are many, many more _sightings_ in the current decade than the last, with a repeating pattern for about 50 to 70 years or so. Cellphone cameras are partially responsible for that, but unfortunately camera quality of most phones kinda sucks. That represents a different set of problems.

> but unfortunately camera quality of most phones kinda sucks.

This excuse died years ago. Cell phone cameras are on par with regular mainline digital cameras these days. Sometimes far superior.

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Fair enough, but you can't really trust what's posted as video/photo evidence these days: https://youtu.be/Fm8FJ8la2VU I'd go for sworn affidavits with independently verifiable credentials for things like this. Dr Greer has collected thousands of data points on this topic, however. (Perhaps you haven't watched the 3rd link posted above, which is >1.5hr interview with a Richard Doty from OSI whose job it was to discre…

This stuff is very hard to wade through, especially Greer's documentary. I just picked out something to follow up on on Google scholar, the Atacama skeleton, and it immediately falls apart. I'm not saying all of this is necessarily false, it just seems to have a pro-extraterrestrial bias that he's trying to gather evidence for, rather than just analysing evidence without foregone conclusions. I've never seen material…

>> payed actors

paid actors

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Saw a similar light when I was a child, my brothers saw it too. But this one was right above our heads in the sky, and there was no flash when it disappeared. Bounced from one place to another, and it was really far away, so we are talking hundreds of kilometers in a second. Never forgot about it.

Dang. That's scary. While I was watching I started out in awe feeling like "holy crap, I'm looking at a UFO!" But after staring at it for a long time and then having the white flashes I quickly changed to "oh fuck, I'm near a UFO". I was with someone, they were very scared, too.

Was about 10 years old, and the thing was just a bit brighter than the stars. Wasn't scary, it was exciting to see at the moment.

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I can't disagree, but at what point can sworn testimonies be allowed? 100, 200, 500? What about their 'respectability'? To dismiss such a mountain of evidence is unwise, I feel. There are also hundreds of government documents on his website, discussing various et issues. Most of the testimonies talk about how there is a systemic coverup going on. What if they can provide proof, but due to high classification, it can'…

What specifically is unwise? I don't see any negative consequences of being skeptical. And the notion of some grand government conspiracy is just ludicrous on the face of it. No secret could be kept that long by so many people without some more reliable evidence leaking out. Appeals to authority in terms of the respectability of various witnesses are meaningless. A more plausible explanation is that they simply misin…

Skepticism is all well and good, but it can go too far if it's just a blanket denial. Dr Greer himself states that he's skeptical of 95% of what he's seen, but still states:

"we have 3500 cases where ET vehicles have landed and have left physical traces. We have 4000 cases where they have been tracked on radar and seen by pilots" ~ Unacknowledged doco.

> A more plausible explanation is that they simply misinterpreted what they experienced

If you watch 'Unacknowledged' you will see:

- multiple US Presidents hint at, or directly acknowledge their existence.

- Men who've walked on the moon, testifying.

- Top US government officials, air force pilots, etc, etc who've actually interacted with them, and and seen them stored in bases in the US.

- There was even a British Lord in there.

- Various government records (also available online).

> the notion of some grand government conspiracy is just ludicrous on the face of it

Yes it is, but doesn't mean it isn't happening. Apparently $100M dollars a day is spent on US military. $25B is unaccounted for each year. (The actual numbers may be out of date, but the scale of them is correct, from memory).

> No secret could be kept that long by so many people without some more reliable evidence leaking out.

This statement is directly addressed in 'Unacknowledged'

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Fair enough, but you can't really trust what's posted as video/photo evidence these days: https://youtu.be/Fm8FJ8la2VU I'd go for sworn affidavits with independently verifiable credentials for things like this. Dr Greer has collected thousands of data points on this topic, however. (Perhaps you haven't watched the 3rd link posted above, which is >1.5hr interview with a Richard Doty from OSI whose job it was to discre…

This stuff is very hard to wade through, especially Greer's documentary. I just picked out something to follow up on on Google scholar, the Atacama skeleton, and it immediately falls apart. I'm not saying all of this is necessarily false, it just seems to have a pro-extraterrestrial bias that he's trying to gather evidence for, rather than just analysing evidence without foregone conclusions. I've never seen material…

Yeah, the atacama skeleton is tough to swallow. Ironically, Dr Greer makes no claim about what it is, other than to say (he's actually a trauma physician originally) that it's not human. He goes into details on why (and documented proof and papers by recognised DNA experts). He's also directly 'calling out' the papers you've seen and the journals that have published them, as far as I'm aware.

I'd still recommend watching Unacknowledged

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