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Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Student debt is harder to discharge than other debts. You cant even discharge it through bankruptcy. One reason this was done was to reduce interest rates.

> You cant even discharge it through bankruptcy. And why do you think that is? Once you get an "education", you can't exactly have another company repossess that from you. Not being able to remove your student debt by going through bankruptcy is a positive thing .

I've never seen anyone cite convincing evidence that there was a real problem with students declaring bankruptcy to get out of their loans.[0]

On the other hand, having our bankruptcy system not apply to a meaningful portion of U.S. lending does create some incentive problems, like the fact that lenders have no incentive to make sure you'll be able to handle repayment, so you can take out huge student loans and find out at the end you have earned a worthless degree and that it will be massively difficult or nearly impossible for you to repay the loan.[1]

[0] For example, https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-111hhrg52412/html/CHRG-11...:

Currently, a debtor may discharge student loans in bankruptcy only upon establishing that repaying such loans would impose an undue hardship, but this has not always been the case. Prior to 1977, student loans were automatically discharged in bankruptcy.

Perceived abuse of the bankruptcy system, as opposed to any real abuse, drove Congress to change this state of affairs. A 1976 GAO report had found that less than 1 percent of all federally insured and guaranteed educational loans were discharged in bankruptcy. In other words, no abuse.

[1] For example http://law.emory.edu/ebdj/content/volume-32/issue-1/comments...

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> I am super disappointed that they chose Long Island City Edward Glaeser's research on the economic and social benefits from density, summarized in Triumph of the City [1] and referenced in this guy's videos [2][3], is worth reviewing. Long story short, agglomeration breeds efficiencies which lead to further agglomeration. New York can uniquely offer things other cities can't because of its density. A few thousand p…

Triumph of the City sounds like something right up my alley. I'll have to add it to my reading list. Thanks

I've read a handful of books on this subject -- it's a popular one, right now -- and Triumph of the City is my favorite so far.

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It's worth noting that not all politicians fall for this crap. Austin's Mayor, for all his flaws, refused to give any incentives to Amazon.

A lot of mayors did that. Truth be told, even New York City's mayor did that. Problem is that it doesn't make a difference. Lots of other mayors will give the incentives. And, as in the case of NYC, sometimes the governors will come in and override the decision not to give subsidies anyway. (Although in the case of NYC it likely wouldn't have really mattered. I suspect they would have won the HQ2 subsidies or no subs…

Lots of mayors will give the incentives? Fine. Let them. If you think it's a bad idea - or even a bad idea for your city - then don't give them. If someone else will make the mistake, let them make the mistake (and reap the consequences).

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As a New Yorker, I am super disappointed that they chose Long Island City. There were contenders where this stimulus could have been a paradigm shift. Instead, it's just a drop in the bucket for a city that is already growing recklessly. My vote was for Newark, personally. Plenty of office space; access to NJIT, Rutgers, and Princeton; and good public transit that connects directly into NYC. Bezos and co. could have…

I'm kind of relieved I wasn't the only pro-Newark HN reader (though I am based in central NJ so I'll admit bias). I honestly think it's close enough to the city for it to work as an "NY" office, rent is cheaper and home ownership isn't a pipe dream, and it's close to an Amtrak stop that would allow quick access to the DC HQ!

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> Wouldn't you call two new offices that are smaller than the headquarters "satellite offices"? Not quite. Amazon has satellite offices, that employ an order of magnitude fewer employees. At 25k/branch, the term "regional headquarters" can be considered justified. They did game the system though. Feels like they negotiated tax benefits with 50k employees in mind, and kept the same benefits while only giving locations…

> Fin-tech firms WILL HAVE TO compete against Amazon for (supposed) west coast wages, and could help build a much stronger tech industry than NYC has atm. Those fin-tech companies almost certainly pay more than Amazon already. IIRC amazon has a cap of 275k for base pay, which means even if you're James Gosling that's the most you're getting, the rest has to come from RSUs which amazon also has a terrible vesting stru…

If Amazon milked these cities to get the most value out of them, then they aren't going to dole out the red carpet with "west coast wages" for their new employees out of benevolence. I'm being cynical, but Amazon accumulated a wealth of data on cost of living, workforce statistics, and real estate to know how to play the HR game so what they pay their employees will always work out in Amazon's favor.

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> Long Island City is a mixed-use community where arts and industry intersect It's mostly empty warehouses, housing projects, and luxury condos. There's very little in terms of culture or even basic needs, like grocery stores. > Long Island City has some of the best transit access in New York City, with 8 subway lines, 13 bus lines, commuter rail, a bike-sharing service, and ferries serving the area Realistically it'…

Considering Amazon helped pay for the South Lake Union streetcar, I imagine that this announcement will expedite the approvals for and the construction of the BQX street car.

Wow so that’s how they got the money for that. Can somebody tell me what the point of those streetcars are? They’re just slow buses that are limited to tracks.

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In case you didn't know SF has been building more housing/per capita than New York City for a while now..

Where is this housing you speak of???

https://sf.curbed.com/2016/8/10/12430444/sf-apartment-constr...

And San Francisco? Our 4,100 new apartments is just one per 204 persons. Only three cities managed to do less: San Diego (225), Chicago (324), and New York City (396).

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Excessive rents and debts are a drain on consumer spending and ultimately harm the economy. The root cause isn't greedy students wanting an education (weird way to think about it), but tuition costs ballooning out of control. It's also increasingly harder and harder to default on student debt, with states forcing extreme measures such as wage garnishing and taking away people's driving licenses: https://www.nytimes.c…

The root cause are greedy loan providers that know payment back is a sure bet. My 50,000 foot view of the problem is that it is far to easy to obtain a huge sum of money to go to school for a career with no job prospects. My solution would be to factor in degree and ability to repay, making loans much harder to get. Also, I would revoke many degree paths from the ability to get approved federal loans.

This falls right in line with my thinking. I've listened to so many NPR stories about students suddenly realizing right at graduation that, "oh, holy shit, I have to pay $900/month loan payment!"

Just listen to this girl: https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/05/02/308950755/tough-l...

[head slap] I could've had a V-8. Time to take some responsibility for your decisions.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Student debt is harder to discharge than other debts. You cant even discharge it through bankruptcy. One reason this was done was to reduce interest rates.

> You cant even discharge it through bankruptcy. And why do you think that is? Once you get an "education", you can't exactly have another company repossess that from you. Not being able to remove your student debt by going through bankruptcy is a positive thing .

If I go into debt after a major medical crisis and then declare bankruptcy, the bank can't repossess me being alive.
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