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Post by reason-mr »

russdill wrote: post #251
TomMarius wrote: post #188

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What about the Dyson dilemma? We've indeed detected "voids", but we're unable to confirm their origin.

If you have a dyson sphere, it glows very brightly in lower wavelengths, such as IR. We don't see that in voids. Additionally, looking back into cosmic history, we can see the formation of voids in the very early universe and their expected expansion.

I find the assumption that any advanced civilization is going to emit external electromagnetic radiation and/or be warm quite curious. Most quantum computing work is at low temperatures, and work on photonics (for example : http://science.sciencemag.org/content/361/6397/57 )is coming along nicely. If we assume an extropian approach of uploading into a more advanced substrate, I find it more likely that they would be quite cold in nature.

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Post by mikeash »

smaili wrote: post #66
minota wrote: post #33

Transcribing the interesting bits from 18:15 Man A (ATC?): There's nothing showing on either primary or secondary Woman A: Ok, it was moving so fast. [Inaudible] Man A: Alongside you? Woman A: Yes, it was rapidly [inaudible] bright light and then it just disappeared at a very high speed. I am still wondering. Didn't think it was likely collision course. Wondering what sort it could be. Man B: Meteor or another object…

I know meteors seems to be a common theory, but do they normally travel that fast?

I don’t think you can trust their assessment of its speed. There’s no way to reliably determine the speed of an unknown object of unknown size and distance.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

deadbunny wrote: post #224
DoreenMichele wrote: post #103

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You seem to assume folks in spaceships would be scientists or part of a Star Trek like organized fleet. But what if some of them are tourists? Americans in cars aren't part of some elite professional military or scientific service. Most Americans have cars. It's the norm here. And being a driver of a car in no way guarantees they are well educated, sophisticated, civilized types. There are even people driving illegal…

4chan on holiday.

^

He understands me.

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Post by [deleted] »

grkvlt wrote: post #238
narrator wrote: post #77

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I like the Zoo hypothesis. We do that to North Sentinel Island[1]. It is populated by 50-400 stone age tribes people. India does not prosecute them for murdering anyone who happens to land on their island. Previous contacts with these people led to them rapidly dying of diseases they didn't have immunity to, so staying uncontacted is literally a life or death issue for them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Se…

Looking at the wiki page, it seems the population on the island is decreasing. Hopefully they will either all die, thus relieving us of the ethical dilemma, or India will come to its senses and stop the abuse of these poor people and actually help them. Its criminal that they are allowed to carry on without access to any of the modern world's technology or services. And of course the islanders that killed those fishe…

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Post by darkhorn »

PuffinBlue wrote: post #233
darkhorn wrote: post #207

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https://youtu.be/hxiDA3tVjRA https://youtu.be/hF-kuB9pBT0 https://youtu.be/6ioN-3UWYrY https://youtu.be/7n79gnbab_o https://youtu.be/WlX-cEsnILc

Two of those were obviously insects, probably fireflies. One even goes in front of the tree in the parking lot. The others were just a blurred mess. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlX-cEsnILc&feature=youtu.be ...isn't ball lightning, it's that weird ice crystal thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0laC2FksA I'd love to see an actual ball lightning example if anyone has one though, it would be amazing t…

This is something else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5cqazajP1Q

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Post by EpicBlackCrayon »

flukus wrote: post #155
jonhohle wrote: post #111

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I've been developing a theory about abduction stories overlapping with MK Ultra-type experimentation. There seem to be a fair number of parallels in the type of activities done to subjects of the MK projects (allegedly) and casting the alien abduction story on the victims makes deniability straight forward. I haven't thought much about UFO sightings. I always find the ones with video, especially from arial sources in…

Abduction stories fit very well within suggestibility + sleep paralysis ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis ), before aliens it was demons or other things. When I've suffered from it I've had my dog ripping my face off and intruders entering the house, no alien probes yet but apart from that the experience sounds identical.

This is my conclusion as well. I grew up in a very religious household and so all of my sleep paralysis episodes revolved around some sort of demon entering my space and attempting to do something to me. Sleep paralysis is connected with lucid dreaming and so the dreams are incredibly lifelike. I could see someone dreaming about being abducted.

Once I moved out of the house, became a bit more secular, and did some research online about sleep paralysis, any rare episodes I had I knew weren't demons or anything of the sort.

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Post by mrgreenfur »

toss1 wrote: post #38
LolNoGenerics wrote: post #25

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Can you imagine that it is very boring most of the time?

You might be surprised at the popularity of "Slow Television" [0], which televises the long journeys of trains, cruise ships, etc. It is apparently quite popular in Norway and growing elsewhere. Add some potential UFOs to the mix, and who knows where it might go? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_television

This channel on Pluto tv is very relaxing indeed, showing the norwegian trains through the countryside.

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Post by cmroanirgo »

nradov wrote: post #253
cmroanirgo wrote: post #190

A lot of people typically have a "Where's the proof?" wrt UFOs. However, there is Dr Steven Greer who in 2001 fronted a 'Disclosure Project' in which many people from positions of authority (eg FAA chiefs, Tower operators, Military pilots, etc) stated quite clearly on National Press Club in Washington their testimony on UFO's. [0] Since then, he's been often quoted as saying that there's such an abundance of proof th…

That's all just circumstantial evidence subject to interpretation, not proof .

I can't disagree, but at what point can sworn testimonies be allowed? 100, 200, 500? What about their 'respectability'? To dismiss such a mountain of evidence is unwise, I feel.

There are also hundreds of government documents on his website, discussing various et issues.

Most of the testimonies talk about how there is a systemic coverup going on. What if they can provide proof, but due to high classification, it can't be provided, except to Congress? This was ultimately what the disclosure project was about in 2001. Most of the testimonies attest to that fact.

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Post by a1369209993 »

hderms wrote: post #250
yesenadam wrote: post #185

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"in a universe like ours, almost all first contact events will consist of relativistically expanding spheres of von Neumann machines impacting planets populated solely by nonsapient life." You talk as if that's a certain fact. (Even estimating a probability) I'm no expert in the area, but why? Is that justified? What's that based on? (Not to mention the last sentence 'reminding me' of another odd 'fact'.)

I think it's like a big-o type argument about rates of growth of approximately spherical areas in 3d space

That combined with the aforementioned thousands-to-one odds that a life form that hasn't yet developed into a relativistically expanding sphere also hasn't developed sapience. (I'm not using the mathematical definition of "almost all" of course.)

There would (probably) also be a significant number of cases where two spheres run into each other, but it's debatable whether most of those count as first contact events (light speed lag versus "it's all the same civilization"). The main point was the enormous unlikelyhood of a nearby alien civilization being within a thousand years or so (out of multiple billion) of our developmental level.

The Fermi paradox is more a question of "Why hasn't anything eaten every star in the sky yet?".

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