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Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Newly elected Democrats in the NY state legislature might block the NYC Amazon subsidies and put the funds into student debt relief instead: https://capitalandmain.com/will-new-york-fund-amazon-subsidi...

The current situation we have is insane. It's like the height of the gilded age with no trust busting in sight, the largest corporations in the land buy out politicians and are openly taking public money.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Unless I'm misreading this, it looks like Nashville got the best deal > Amazon will receive performance-based direct incentives of up to $102 million based on the company creating 5,000 jobs with an average wage of over $150,000 in Nashville. This is a pretty big deal for Nashville, and costing them only $12,000 per job is a pretty big win.

The University of Tennessee ranks well in supply chain & logistics, so it makes sense. I believe Lyft opened a similar operations office in Nashville. Unfortunately, Nashville could really use strong tech jobs as well, which the state is sorely lacking. I wish Amazon had chosen Nashville as one of the main HQs.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> Long Island City is a mixed-use community where arts and industry intersect It's mostly empty warehouses, housing projects, and luxury condos. There's very little in terms of culture or even basic needs, like grocery stores. > Long Island City has some of the best transit access in New York City, with 8 subway lines, 13 bus lines, commuter rail, a bike-sharing service, and ferries serving the area Realistically it'…

This could be what LIC actually needs. It has all this new housing, but it feels like a ghost town. So now there will be all this demand for local amenities that could transform the area. Still unsure if this will be beneficial in the long term or not, but will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Newly elected Democrats in the NY state legislature might block the NYC Amazon subsidies and put the funds into student debt relief instead: https://capitalandmain.com/will-new-york-fund-amazon-subsidi...

> Newly elected Democrats in the NY state legislature might block the NYC Amazon subsidies and put the funds into student debt relief instead

I doubt this is a real risk. The Governor is strongly behind this proposal, and has a lot of goodies to trade with the Senate. More likely: Amazon's move prompts new spending on infrastructure and community development around LIC and in random upstate districts whose votes are needed.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Knew that they wouldn't pick Toronto - Trump would have blown a gasket

Toronto wasn't chosen because Toronto wasn't competitive. People that live in Toronto talk about how they're underpaid and how their tech sector pales in comparison to major US cities. Even many Waterloo CS graduates have a "US or bust" type mentality because of the labor market disparities.

Amazon would be foolish to choose a location in Canada due to a their healthcare system and immigration situation. Healthcare isn't that big a deal to a company like Amazon and regardless of the current administration, Americans have never been more supportive of immigration.

Canadians were naive to think they were competitive for an Amazon, and they're wrong if they think Amazon would have chosen them if they weren't so concerned about blowback.

Sometimes, America being welcoming to big businesses has its advantages.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Wouldn't you call two new offices that are smaller than the headquarters "satellite offices"? It really does feel like Amazon successfully played a lot of municipalities against each other to try and extract the biggest concessions, knowing all along that it didn't make sense to try and hire 50000 people in a decade in any one location. I know that's how the game is played, but it's still feels a little disingenuous.

I agree, but I wonder if it’s instead not that disingenuous since most of the tech community, and likely all the city candidates, knew Amazon’s true MO from the start.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Newly elected Democrats in the NY state legislature might block the NYC Amazon subsidies and put the funds into student debt relief instead: https://capitalandmain.com/will-new-york-fund-amazon-subsidi...

The current situation we have is insane. It's like the height of the gilded age with no trust busting in sight, the largest corporations in the land buy out politicians and are openly taking public money.

It's worth noting that not all politicians fall for this crap. Austin's Mayor, for all his flaws, refused to give any incentives to Amazon.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Knew that they wouldn't pick Toronto - Trump would have blown a gasket

Toronto dodged a bullet.

No, it didn't dodge a bullet, it lost the competition and hence the opportunity. Unless you are a subject matter expert and know exactly how this benefits Toronto (In which case then, I apologize).

By virtue of moving into Toronto, all Canadian cities starting from Pickering/Oshawa all the way down to Hamilton/Waterloo would have seen a boost overtime to real-estate and hence towards economic activity - remember cities like Hamilton and Barrie are struggling to attract highly-educated / high-income residents and this would have given them better odds.

All in all, loss of potential income for the Canadian economy.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Good. Studen loasns are BS and it will help stop more traffic

not good. govt paying off student loans just makes them a sure bet and validates the behavior. Govt has the power to allow you to default, but why don't they?

Excessive rents and debts are a drain on consumer spending and ultimately harm the economy. The root cause isn't greedy students wanting an education (weird way to think about it), but tuition costs ballooning out of control.

It's also increasingly harder and harder to default on student debt, with states forcing extreme measures such as wage garnishing and taking away people's driving licenses: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/business/student-loans-li...

Fully expect to see debtor's prisons back in vogue this century.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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This entire competition was an obvious sham to try to equivocate really desperate cities willing to give basically anything to have a major tech company headquarters, to the inevitable choice amazon was going to make of california or the coastal northeast, so they could extract maximum concessions. Its disgusting this worked as well as it did, $48k/job in tax concessions from NYC and $22k/job from VA, expect to see a…

What do you mean by "hurting local businesses"? Wouldn't more highly paid workers in the area be good for local businesses?

I was similarly confused by this...its not like its a Walmart superstore undurcutting the local mom-n-pop shop.

That said, perhaps the fear is "over-cutting" -- that HQ2 slurps up top talent from local tech businesses and overbids salaries. I can totally see that happening, especially with the only-handful of truly high-tech businesses in the Northern Virginia community. This is a bad thing short term and a good thing long term.

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