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Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

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Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#11
I use Anki to memorise scales and arpeggios. I have decks with all the scales and arpeggios, then for example it asks me to play "A major scale". If I play it right on first try I press Good, and the scale will be shown less often, and if I got it wrong I press Bad and it will be shown more frequently. It's a good way to filter the scales and spend more time on those you know less.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#12
I started playing the piano when I was 8 years old and I’ve been playing regularly for the last 25 years. Here are some things that helped me:

- As others have mentioned (and you’ve said you have), find a good teacher. Apps, etc., can be helpful supplements but nothing beats having a real person sit next to you and give you feedback.

- As with a teacher, nothing beats consistent and quality practice time. The more time you spend in front of the piano the more comfortable you’ll be playing. Also: Don’t use those stickers you can buy that show the notes and letters of the keys. They’ll become a crutch and make it more difficult to read music in the long run.

- Ear training and sight reading are very useful tools, as well, and really are vital for most people to become competent musicians. There are many apps and programs out there to learn these two skills.

- This probably seems obvious, but listen to music from many different genres and time periods. I naturally learn by ear and listening to a piece before I sit down to learn/play it helps tremendously.

- Lastly, make sure this is something fun for you and your kids. I’ve tried to learn a few instruments and I was miserable with some of them but stuck with it anyway. It made my playing sloppy and honestly pretty terrible. Spend some time at the piano just messing around and enjoy the process of learning.

Don’t expect yourself to be the next Rachmaninov in a year. I’ve been playing for many years now and I’m still learning and fixing things. There are many pieces out there that I just physically can’t play. So keep the pressure off and enjoy. :)

Some specific recommendations:

- The Suzuki Piano Method (book)

- Alfred’s Basic Piano Library (books)

- EarMaster (ear training app)

- Tenuto (theory app, learn notes, intervals, chords, etc, from https://www.musictheory.net/)

- The Virtuoso Pianist by Hanon (This is a book to learn dexterity and finger independence. It’s somewhat advanced, but you can tackle it slowly and gradually increase your speed as you get better.)

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#13
Caveat, I'm an adult.

I just bought scores... traditional/folk tunes tend to have easy melodies, then they have books of sheet music for beginner/intermediate levels at most stores that sell music books. Sightreading books once you get to that level -- I found playing "new stuff" motivating and there are beginner ones.

There's software (like Synthesia) but I didn't find it that useful. If you get a digital keyboard they sometimes have tutorial modes that include interfaces to show you what to play -- didn't find that super useful either once I could read sheet music, which was very fast. Yousician is an alternative which does present sheet music and it's super gamified. However, in my experience, it was hard to translate the game to playing independently; I had no memory of any of the notes I played, and I would play them fast, but it would be hard to rewind and redo a section if I made a mistake. Fun game though.

You'd need to play scales and chords every day -- probably a motivation app can help with that. One thing I do is mix it with improvisation -- I practice 4-5 scales and chords in them and afterwards it gives me new ideas to improvise. I don't know if your teacher encourages improvisation since it's not targeted practice though. I don't have a teacher and I'm not planning to ever play at a concert level, but do want to get better composing, so for me it's more important. If for a child, place the piano or keyboard someplace in the house the child can just sit and play, and never, ever tell them they are making too much noise (or buy them headphones).

There are ear training apps, they actually work, and I think ear training is pretty much always useful, so it could be a 5min "workout" in between practices. I don't do it myself I just listen to music I like and try to reproduce sounds without the sheet music, but I do listen to a lot of piano music for fun, so the app may be easier for directed practice.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#14
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how useful Anki will be for learning music. Perhaps for reading sheet music? Or visually memorizing chords. You can add a mp3 file to it, and have a reverse card. E.g. "chord mp3 file plays" → what chord is this "chord A" → how do you represent this in sheet music, what does it sound like? I wouldn't go further than this though. Memorizing keys for a song should be done by practice

Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear in my previous post. We use Anki to learn foreign vocabulary, not music. My daughter really enjoys those 'quiz'. Besides she has normal classes with teacher. We have also piano lessons with teacher. I'm looking for some software here to improve/encourage piano learning.

Perhaps beat-saber/guitar hero for pianos?

https://www.synthesiagame.com/

Haven't tried it personally but looks like fun

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#16
Move towards the closer piano that is solid and has the correct key size.

Set up the seat height at the correct position

For your family's mental wellbeing, assure that you can plug good headphones in your piano.

Start repeating the same sequence of notes one hour each day and counting fingers. Try it until it sticks and you develop a muscular memory, then go to the next scale.

Is much easier than a guitar in any case.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#17
I took piano in college...and failed to learn it. Because I failed to practice, the root cause of which (in my mind) was the utterly uninteresting and unfamiliar drills.

Now drills are going to be boring, but when there wasn't a single piece I recognized, your 10th time through "Turkey in the hay" is both uninteresting and hard to know how your screwing up. I made more progress when I spent two weeks on my own trying moonlight sonata.

I dont recommend that piece to start with, and I do recommend a diversity to practice on, but finding tunes at a suitable difficulty that you KNOW can make a big difference - hearing what's wrong, getting a thrill when it sounds close enough to recognizable - these were completely missing in my class, and while I likely still wouldn't have put in enough practice time (dating had more thrills) it would have been much easier.

I've been kicking around the idea of taking it up again for 20 years, and this is the one change I would make.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#18
I'm a terrible piano player, so I have no specific advice about that instrument. However, when I was learning how to play trumpet, having my Dad introduce me to his Miles Davis/Louis Armstrong records really helped. For me, it was helpful being able to listen to something before I tried to play it.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn to play piano? (kids and adults)

#20
I've been playing the piano since I was 4. Learn from my mistake: don't "cheat" by skimping on scales and other technical skills! I know it's not as fun as playing actual music, but as with anything, there is no royal road to piano proficiency. Now that I'm at a more advanced level, I really regret that I didn't put better effort into my scales when I was younger.
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