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Post by fit2rule »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #151
dmix wrote: post #117

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It wouldn't be a conspiracy talk without someone bringing up MK Ultra...

For good reason. We know that the CIA dosed people with LSD without their knowledge, which alone would explain most bizarre phenomena, and we know that the CIA claim to have destroyed most of their records of what they did in the program. Pretty easy to link anything to the program, and it's often one of the least strange options.

We also know that MK ULTRA and programs very similar to it, have been continued to present day.

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Post by fatfox »

toss1 wrote: post #130
zero_iq wrote: post #67

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I remember in the 90s tuning into "space night" on a German satellite channel when I got home from the pub. Just continuous video feeds from low earth orbit with electronica/chillout playing over the top. Was really relaxing to have on in the background. I can imagine working from home with something like that on in the background and occasionally looking up to "see where we are now" - would give me some sense of tra…

that sounds awesome! I wonder if there's anything like that available now. Anybody have any links?

I’m a big fan too, so here are a couple of links:

https://youtu.be/5rmjunOOseQ

Official BR video library (not sure if it works from abroad: https://www.br.de/mediathek/sendung/space-night-av:584f4cc13...

And wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Night

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Post by thaumasiotes »

psandersen wrote: post #161
russdill wrote: post #148

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I think it's bizarre that the fact that we have absolutely zero evidence for aliens actually gives a little weight to things like the zoo hypothesis.

Technically every hypothesis that fits our data should get a little weight, plus our best available models of the universe show there should be billions of planets as habitable as ours. That is evidence in the abstract sense and we currently lack the technology to observe these candidate planets in enough detail to test the models further. We're like a person sitting in the desert at night with nothing but a candle c…

> Technically every hypothesis that fits our data should get a little weight

This sounds superficially right, but unfortunately there are too infinitely many possibilities to assign more than 0 weight to them just because they're compatible with the data. It's the same fallacy as "the sun either will rise tomorrow, or it won't. Two possibilities mean a 50-50 chance."

A more practical approach will only assign weight to possibilities that might influence your decisions about what to do.

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Post by tigerlily »

flukus wrote: post #107
slg wrote: post #68

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The transcript above refers to the object banking and climbing. That sounds a lot more like a secret military vehicle than falling space debris.

Could be one skipping off the atmosphere. Aero breaking ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobraking ) if you want to stick with the spacecraft theory.

I believe they call such a thing a 'bolide'

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Post by wuyishan »

toss1 wrote: post #130
zero_iq wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember in the 90s tuning into "space night" on a German satellite channel when I got home from the pub. Just continuous video feeds from low earth orbit with electronica/chillout playing over the top. Was really relaxing to have on in the background. I can imagine working from home with something like that on in the background and occasionally looking up to "see where we are now" - would give me some sense of tra…

that sounds awesome! I wonder if there's anything like that available now. Anybody have any links?

Re: Space Night, there are some clips on YT, like in this list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRhLbAy-ujs&list=PLCDF7A13D5...

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Post by SubiculumCode »

smaili wrote: post #66
minota wrote: post #33

Transcribing the interesting bits from 18:15 Man A (ATC?): There's nothing showing on either primary or secondary Woman A: Ok, it was moving so fast. [Inaudible] Man A: Alongside you? Woman A: Yes, it was rapidly [inaudible] bright light and then it just disappeared at a very high speed. I am still wondering. Didn't think it was likely collision course. Wondering what sort it could be. Man B: Meteor or another object…

I know meteors seems to be a common theory, but do they normally travel that fast?

I was watching a meteor shower once, and after a few hours, the angle seemed to change. Instead of streaking across the sky, they appeared as a circle that got brighter and bigger before winking out....they were coming right at me. This could explain the light in this video if it were a fairly large meteorite, maybe.

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Post by isostatic »

dylan604 wrote: post #139
tyingq wrote: post #20

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I don't personally give much thought to what ants think as I tromp around the lawn. I tend to think a species advanced enough to get here may find us similarly unimportant.

But wouldn't an intelligent species capable of inter-galactic travel have some of the Federation style rules to obey? Don't interfere with a less intelligent civilization for fear of disruption or whatever? I'm not sure they would consider "us" unimportant. There's clearly some sort of "intelligence" with all of the radio energy emanating from this rock. If they sat back and observed for quite a bit of time, they wou…

Just like Spain didn’t interfere in South America, or Britain in Africa. Why would there be non interference when even Star Trek doesn’t have it half the time (Borg, dominion, ferengi, etc)

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Post by _lbaq »

psandersen wrote: post #161
russdill wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's bizarre that the fact that we have absolutely zero evidence for aliens actually gives a little weight to things like the zoo hypothesis.

Technically every hypothesis that fits our data should get a little weight, plus our best available models of the universe show there should be billions of planets as habitable as ours. That is evidence in the abstract sense and we currently lack the technology to observe these candidate planets in enough detail to test the models further. We're like a person sitting in the desert at night with nothing but a candle c…

The problem is that we have basically no data, in general people (including pilots) are horrible bad at observing and recounting a situation like these and we have no other types of evidence either...

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Post by JamesBarney »

psandersen wrote: post #161
russdill wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's bizarre that the fact that we have absolutely zero evidence for aliens actually gives a little weight to things like the zoo hypothesis.

Technically every hypothesis that fits our data should get a little weight, plus our best available models of the universe show there should be billions of planets as habitable as ours. That is evidence in the abstract sense and we currently lack the technology to observe these candidate planets in enough detail to test the models further. We're like a person sitting in the desert at night with nothing but a candle c…

Honestly if you were put on a random desert on a random world you'd be more often right than not about how many people were on the rest of the world.

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Post by a1369209993 »

kromem wrote: post #164
evilturnip wrote: post #23

I'll also put my tinfoil hat on, since I've had a long fascination with anamolous phenomenon. I still think the jury's out on what exactly is going on, but one thing that's consistent worldwide is that balls of light are associated with UFOs, bigfoot, poltergeists, etc. My rational mind doesn't really believe in all of this, but if it did, I think I'd take Jacques Vallee's theory seriously. Jacques Vallee is an astro…

The time travel argument I've always found to be far more compelling than the extra terrestrial argument. For example, similarity of physical form (with exaggerated evolutionary aspects relating to modern society, such as bigger eyes/brains, and diminished aspects that would be obsolete, such as weakened physical strength). And in a universe where different systems could be billions of years different in age, the UFO…

> And in a universe where different systems could be billions of years different in age, the UFOs have always seemed closer to a few thousands of years off from current technology at best.

I think this is something that doesn't get enough attention; in a universe like our's, almost all first contact events will consist of relativisticly expanding spheres of von Neumann machines impacting planets populated solely by nonsapient life. (Say three billion years before humans evolved versus a generous million years of human 'civilization' gives a three thousand to one ratio.) We should not expect to see anything remotely near our point in the developmental timeline.

(If "relativisticly expanding spheres of von Neumann machines" sounds unlikely, let me remind you that every star in the sky is a massive pile of valuable raw materials that has unfortunately caught fire and needs to be extinguished as soon as possible.)

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