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Re: UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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From a rational standpoint, I generally subscribe to the selection bias you (and Scriptor in a separate reply) raise as #1. However, for the sake of discussion, let's operate under the assumption these sightings are legitimate/noteworthy. Personally, I grew out of bothering ant hills when I was about twelve. Nowadays, I pleasantly observe from high above. So why wouldn't aliens do the same? In this case, your second…

> one would assume some species capable of this technology would also have cultural norms about not interfering with less developed groups I would assume nothing of the sort. It's not as if humans even really conform to that norm. It's a pretty recent trend, at best. With aliens of unknown evolution/history, all bets are off.

Very faint point which I predicted the keen HN audience would be quick to contend. My reasoning to assume so is a wholly intuitive instinct that all ultra-high technology societies converge in their moral and ethical norms to a common limit. That to have survived the gamble of existence long enough to reach such a point, this civilization almost certainly needed to adopt a set of values wherein the "Prime Directive" incidentally coincides. Though I concede that it betrays my personal beliefs more than any tangible insight.

For example, my hippie confidence does nothing to explain the likes of the Zerg or Tyranids, that's for sure. :)

Re: UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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Not to put a downer on speculation but probably military jets that lit the afterburners and zoomed away. My first thought was F-111s, but since it seems they were radar quiet, maybe stealth planes.

No more F-111s in service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-111_Aardvar...

Re: UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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Actual link to the tweet that has all the actual content: https://twitter.com/IrishAero/status/1061669444093730820 Direct link to the audio: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/einn/EINN-High-Nov-09-2018... Side note; including a screenshot of a tweet with out a link to it, is pretty lame.

Marine here. Sounds like a perfect description of a missile.

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And 3: the light is a unavoidable side effect of their propulsion system.

You ever see those guys that put neon lights under their Hondas? What if it's just the cosmic version of that? Genuinely can't tell which one of us is applying Occam's Razor here...

LOL, you have a point. What kind of individuals would volunteer for a possibly one-way mission that gets them in a stasis pod for a century?

Re: UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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From a rational standpoint, I generally subscribe to the selection bias you (and Scriptor in a separate reply) raise as #1. However, for the sake of discussion, let's operate under the assumption these sightings are legitimate/noteworthy. Personally, I grew out of bothering ant hills when I was about twelve. Nowadays, I pleasantly observe from high above. So why wouldn't aliens do the same? In this case, your second…

I take it you don't do a lot of walking. People in cars are routinely assholes to pedestrians, presumably because they feel invulnerable. Why wouldn't folks on space ships visiting a primitive planet-bound race not be 10,000 times worse about fucking with the locals for kicks?

What a bizarre comparison, albeit a novel rebuttal! I do think your argument rests too much on the typical assumptions/biases a human brings to the table given our experience in this specific time and place. See my reply to andrewflnr for a nuanced response.

Also, I do walk a lot! About 4 miles daily in fact. People in cars also happen to be assholes to each other. And to wildlife. Heck, they can even be assholes to others in the same vehicle!

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Devil's advocate: the aliens may simply not care about being seen, or they may be aware that they can operate "in the open" with plausible deniability from a skeptical public and governments being unwilling to admit their existence.

This makes the most sense to me. Do you get worried that the ants will see you and freak out when you're hiking through the woods?

Ants no, but ticks are habitual hitchhikers.

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Since we don't usually get UFO threads on Hacker News, I may as well brush the dust off my tinfoil hat... What's always puzzled me about UFO sightings is the preponderance of "bright lights" being what people report seeing. If some extraterrestrial being came to visit, why make itself known? And in such an obviously unnatural way, too? One immediate counterargument I can think of is that it's good camouflage. Who nee…

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Re: UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation

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Since we don't usually get UFO threads on Hacker News, I may as well brush the dust off my tinfoil hat... What's always puzzled me about UFO sightings is the preponderance of "bright lights" being what people report seeing. If some extraterrestrial being came to visit, why make itself known? And in such an obviously unnatural way, too? One immediate counterargument I can think of is that it's good camouflage. Who nee…

>>If some extraterrestrial being came to visit, why make itself known? And in such an obviously unnatural way, too?

Playing the devils advocate. If the Zoo hypothesis is correct. They are probably thinking the same about us.

Like.

"We get so close to them, and they sometimes see us too. Just imagine how stupid they must be to not notice us or become aware of our presence."

>>One immediate counterargument I can think of is that it's good camouflage.

No one I know who ever went to Safari in Africa wore a camouflage. Why should they do it?

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