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In China, Desperate Patients Smuggle Drugs or Make Their Own

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Re: In China, Desperate Patients Smuggle Drugs or Make Their Own

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.”

Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west.

Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

One just needs to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal to see that some seemingly didn't even care if they killed babies...

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post #3

>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

One just needs to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal to see that some seemingly didn't even care if they killed babies...

I mean, western companies promoted powdered milk to developing countries which likely has indirectly killed a lot of babies. They also promoted smoking, pollution, petroleum, prescription narcotics and a lot of other things that have killed a lot of people including babies.

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

When I saw a video[1] about Chinese gutter oil, I didn't believe something as repulsive could exist. I was wrong.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario.

I've met contractors who did extensive work for businessmen in the US, who then turned around and told the contractor, "You want to be paid? Sue me!"

The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west.

Is it really that different? There are some people who are good and some people who end up being opportunistic in evil ways. The more I learn about differences across cultures, the more I conclude that the differences are always ones of degree, and the differences are made more visible due to the cultural contrasts. That said, is there more rule of law and enforcement around IP issues in the west than in China? I suspect that's also true.

Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

There are also people in the west who aren't above faking treatments for cancer.

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. I've met contractors who did extensive work for businessmen in the US, who then turned around and told the contractor, "You want to be paid? Sue me!" The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Is it really that different? There are some people who are good and some people who end up being opportu…

> There are also people in the west who aren't above faking treatments for cancer.

So true, here you go: https://www.dw.com/en/cancer-drug-scandal-german-pharmacist-...

The free press and independent justice system makes the difference.

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

They proved they have no conscience with the Chinese baby formula scandal[1]: putting melamine in baby formula to save a little money, knowing that doing so would be poisoning infant children.

"A spokesman said the scale of the problem proved it was 'clearly not an isolated accident, [but] a large-scale intentional activity to deceive consumers for simple, basic, short-term profits.'"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

They proved they have no conscience with the Chinese baby formula scandal[1]: putting melamine in baby formula to save a little money, knowing that doing so would be poisoning infant children. "A spokesman said the scale of the problem proved it was 'clearly not an isolated accident, [but] a large-scale intentional activity to deceive consumers for simple, basic, short-term profits.'" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

Who is "they"?

This is a nation of almost 1.4 billion people.

There are more unarmed civilians (including children) murdered by US police every year than all deaths from the Chinese milk scandal combined.

Would that make it reasonable to state that "All US citizens have proved they have no conscience"?

In any case, the Chinese milk scandal pales in comparison to what Nestle did: https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scand...

Do you no longer buy Nestle?

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>”You just hope the sellers have a conscience.” Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Dealt with our products being knocked off for years, wouldn’t want to buy cancer meds ever!

Yeah, having dealt with Chinese vendors and mfgs for years that is a scary scenario. I've met contractors who did extensive work for businessmen in the US, who then turned around and told the contractor, "You want to be paid? Sue me!" The whole culture of trust / fairness / honesty is very different from the west. Is it really that different? There are some people who are good and some people who end up being opportu…

Being Chinese myself, I can say the moral standard of normal Chinese are more bipolar than western world.

Some are incredibly kind and fair.

Some are incredibly immoral, who can be viewed as demon incarnations. See example like this: https://www.zhihu.com/question/53610601 (manufacture human monster slave to use as worker as fake beggar)

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