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Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by esotericn »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7
supercanuck wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like immigration is gonna be this generation's "War on Drugs"

Not a lot of good solutions. Can't let everyone in. No one cares for merit based immigration like other countries (ie Canada) because pro-immigration supporters want others than the best to have a shot, and no one wants quotas because it'll clamp down on immigration from countries with large populations (China and India).

The US was founded on immigration.

> Can't let everyone in.

Why not?

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by toomuchtodo »

esotericn wrote: post #11
toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lot of good solutions. Can't let everyone in. No one cares for merit based immigration like other countries (ie Canada) because pro-immigration supporters want others than the best to have a shot, and no one wants quotas because it'll clamp down on immigration from countries with large populations (China and India).

The US was founded on immigration. > Can't let everyone in. Why not?

Because it breaks your economy and social fabric (super simplified for the sake of fitting a decent reply into one short HN comment). We're at the lowest level of unemployment in decades, and wages are barely moving up. Bringing in large amounts of unskilled workers (remember, skilled workers get in on merit) would only delay wages rising (or those unskilled workers are going to be working under the table in jobs like slaughter houses, dairy farms, and other hazardous work environments where they will have no recourse when they're injured or maimed). Some immigrants want to integrate with American society, but not all (and that is what is expected of you as an immigrant, to share and hold our values in the same regard citizens do).

Europe has had its fair share of troubles with economic migrants. This isn't about race, this is about economic systems and the social stability of your host country. I support an immigration pipeline that gets skilled workers into the US as fast as possible (most especially in the healthcare field), but that's not what's on the public policy table.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by tomschlick »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #4

Are these claims below true? I was under the impression that a in a franchisor - franchisee relationship, the franchisee owns the business, and they are paying the franchisor to use the brand according to whatever standards are agreed upon. But I've never heard of a franchisor being able to "take over" a business, or do payroll for a franchisee. I've only ever heard of a a franchisee having to stop using the franchis…

Yes this is very common. I know McDonalds and Chick-fil-a both have clauses that if their operators refuse to comply they can shut down and replace them. Usually the building/land the stores are located on are owned by HQ as well so they have options on that end to revoke leases if need be. I wouldn't be surprised if 7-11 has the same setup.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by ryandrake »

supercanuck wrote: post #5
rayiner wrote: post #3

While there seems like a desire to blame 7-Eleven here, they are completely right to not want to have their franchisees violating federal immigration laws. While they are insulated by the contractor-contractee relationship, the government is humourless about these sorts of things. The violations are easy to prove (either you have proper employment documentation or you don’t) and enforcement is politically popular. Th…

Sounds like immigration is gonna be this generation's "War on Drugs"

Which generation? This is being planned and executed by the same people that conducted (and failed) the war on drugs.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by CydeWeys »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #4

Are these claims below true? I was under the impression that a in a franchisor - franchisee relationship, the franchisee owns the business, and they are paying the franchisor to use the brand according to whatever standards are agreed upon. But I've never heard of a franchisor being able to "take over" a business, or do payroll for a franchisee. I've only ever heard of a a franchisee having to stop using the franchis…

It 100% depends on the exact terms of the contracts in question. There's no reason in principle this wouldn't be allowed, and 7-11 would be over-reaching like hell (and get shot down) if they tried it and the contracts didn't allow it, which leads me to believe they do.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by lotsofpulp »

berbec wrote: post #9
lotsofpulp wrote: post #4

Are these claims below true? I was under the impression that a in a franchisor - franchisee relationship, the franchisee owns the business, and they are paying the franchisor to use the brand according to whatever standards are agreed upon. But I've never heard of a franchisor being able to "take over" a business, or do payroll for a franchisee. I've only ever heard of a a franchisee having to stop using the franchis…

This is totally possible and not out of line with other agreements. I know of one agreement that requires the franchisee to pay corporate's legal fees if a lawsuit resulted from actions in the store.

I've seen that too, but that's also just monetary penalties. From the agreements I've seen for hotels, there was never any equity involved, and the franchisor definitely didn't want anything to do with payroll. In fact, being shielded from that kind of liability is one of the perks of being a franchisor, so it's very surprising that 7-Eleven would even want to be a part of that. I can see wanting to track sales and whatnot so they can verify that they're getting their cut, but I see no benefit to 7-Eleven corporate to getting involved with the staffing, it's not like their royalties would be effected. And they would get to put all the blame on the franchisee when problems like this occur.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by ericfrenkiel »

The title is crafted so salaciously as to make victims of the real criminals: SMB owners deliberately hiring illegal immigrants because they are easily exploitable. Some of the franchisees were literally stealing money from their hires. I don’t see why we should be lamenting people who abuse and prey on others because of their immigration status.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by DigitalWheelie »

It's not that 7-Eleven franchisees are being investigate for hiring illegal immigrants, it's that the corporate office might be using this as a way to intimidate franchise owners it doesn't like.

'Still, franchisees, after years of conflict with the company, went from suspicious to paranoid when word spread that ICE had shown up at stores run by men and women who were in legal disputes with 7-Eleven or were prominent critics of [CEO Joseph ] DePinto.'

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by zzzcpan »

ryandrake wrote: post #14
supercanuck wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like immigration is gonna be this generation's "War on Drugs"

Which generation? This is being planned and executed by the same people that conducted (and failed) the war on drugs.

Why do you think it failed? I imagine failure of the war on drugs would be a revolution. That didn't happen, so the war on drugs didn't fail.

War on drugs was never about drugs.

Re: The War Inside 7-Eleven

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Post by blakesterz »

"The company’s 2017 disclosure documents give the example of a store in Chicago with $1 million in annual sales. After all the fees and costs and taking into account that the company’s share of the take rises as revenue increases, the franchise owner took home $37,000 before taxes. “7-Eleven always sold its franchises as a gold mine,” says Hashim Syed, a former 7-Eleven franchisee and ex-president of the Chicago franchisee-owners association. “I say it’s more like a coal mine.”"

That sounds brutal!

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