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Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by pjc50 »

s_dev wrote: post #92
nmeofthestate wrote: post #34

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Why tourism? Ireland will stay part of the CTA, so no change to accessibility from the UK, and of course it will still be equally accessible to the rest of the world. Unless this is about GBP dropping in value making it more expensive for potential UK tourists.

I predict a hard border in Ireland, drop in value of pound and an effective end to the CTA. Ireland is going to ultimately have to adopt Schengen which means an end to CTA if the UK leaves the EU fully. We currently don't have to join Schengen because of an opt-out the UK got in one of the treaties.

Hard border in Ireland leads to border poll and reunification of Ireland within a decade.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by nmeofthestate »

JetSetWilly wrote: post #96
coldtea wrote: post #70

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> Why bother countering a baseless (and bitter and resentful) assertion with an argument? What exactly is "baseless"? That Scotland has a long-term rivalry with England? Last time I checked, 45% voted in favor to break up with England in the Scottish referendum -- does the 55/45 result point to some friendly buddies? Or that Germany has disproportionate control of EU policy to its population/economy? That's a lively…

Your argument is baseless because you are leaping to there being some connection between a "rivalry" and the brexit referendum results. In fact, even if you look only at people who voted "no" in the Scottish referendum, the great majority of them were Remain voters in the brexit referendum. For "yes" voters there was actually less of a Remain majority than for No voters. So much for your theory of rabid Scottish nati…

I think they project their worldview onto the EU. The UK is a collection of countries where the large country decides what happens. So therefore the EU is painted in the same cynical terms. That's not to say that large EU countries don't have more clout, but the EU is not a Franco-German empire as some like to imagine.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by boombust »

barry0079 wrote: post #113
pjc50 wrote: post #105

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Gove: "The British public has had enough of experts" Raab, later: “I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing,” Experts: at this point you might want to consider stockpiling your essential medicines... Come on, this is hacker news . We're all (supposedly) experts. You wouldn't let random membe…

But you would let the product owner do whatever he likes with the code. Does the Government serve the people or should the people serve the nation?

I have no idea what 'should the people serve the nation' means. Sounds like you wrote something that sounded cool but completely forgot that phrases should actually mean something.

In a representative democracy, the people elect others to represent them in the legislature (and sometimes if it is separate, the executive). There are different ideas as to how representatives should operate/vote. But you would hope that for issues that are too complex for the public at large, the representatives would make the decisions as they are in a better position to do so. Government being accountable to the people has proven to be the best form of governance, but governance by the people has never and will never end well.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by chengiz »

user5994461 wrote: post #91

A lot of garbage in this list, including company extending with no relation to Brexit and regular asset moves. Just remind me when I saw my company listed in a major newspapers for leaving the UK, even though we were not. Journalists would say anything to get some clicks.

Yeah that was my first thought. If they were honest they would compare the numbers from a different year before Brexit. For every 10 companies leaving in 2018 if only one did in 2014, then sure you can say Brexit is causing a large outflux.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by adamlett »

diazon wrote: post #38
jonathanstrange wrote: post #30

It's sad that the discussion of Brexit and EU-related matters in general always revolve around perceived economic issues. Sure, a healthy economy is important for everyone, but the long-term goals of EU have always been to create a unity of countries with largely shared values to prevent future wars (incl. trade wars and cold wars) and to increase collaboration in all cultural, scientific and social matters. To grow…

Money is very important to people who don't have much money. If you are a plumber whose wages are going down and down because the market is being flooded with cheaper Eastern Europeans, you know who to blame. Of course I don't expect HN users who are sitting on a pile of money in SF or London to ever understand this.

Are plumber wages really going down, though? I am not familiar with the situation in the UK, but in Denmark where I live, demand for plumbers (and construction workers) has outstripped supply for many years now. It's difficult to find a plumber who's willing to pick up the phone let alone commit to a job, and when you do find one, they are outrageously expensive. In this environment, I have a hard time sympathising with anyone who complains that e.g. Polish workers are coming and offering to take the assignments for less money.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by sgt101 »

lambada wrote: post #101
sgt101 wrote: post #64

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Also planning laws; if ~8 story blocks of 3 bed flats were built the dynamics of London's market would be completely different. These would be ideal for families and the density & low construction cost per unity would mean that the supply of family homes in the market would seriously improve. As it is apartments in London are almost exclusively 2 bedroom where one of the bedrooms is small. This is ok for a family wit…

There are no laws in the UK around children sharing bedrooms, regardless of any characteristic of theirs. Source: https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-protection-s...

Odd - I thought that there were; I stand corrected.

In any case I think that a three bedroom apartment is viable for a family, whereas a two bedroom apartment where one of the bedrooms is very small isn't really.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by sgt101 »

user5994461 wrote: post #94
sgt101 wrote: post #64

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Also planning laws; if ~8 story blocks of 3 bed flats were built the dynamics of London's market would be completely different. These would be ideal for families and the density & low construction cost per unity would mean that the supply of family homes in the market would seriously improve. As it is apartments in London are almost exclusively 2 bedroom where one of the bedrooms is small. This is ok for a family wit…

To be fair, a 3 bedroom flats is approaching a million dollars. There aren't many of them being built because people couldn't buy them.

If the planning laws were changed and a couple of thousand were built then the market prices would come down. Developers would still turn a profit because the cost of building is ultra dependent on the cost of land in London, which if the planning laws were changed would change.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by atlantic »

pjc50 wrote: post #105
atlantic wrote: post #95

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I agree that one of the main problems with current politics is the "experts know best" mentality, of which the reduction of political issues to their economic components is one example. Scientists, economists and others should contribute with their specific expertise, but at the end of the day, it should be up to the electorate to make up their minds - which, in the case of Brexit, they did. This faith in technocracy…

Gove: "The British public has had enough of experts" Raab, later: “I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing,” Experts: at this point you might want to consider stockpiling your essential medicines... Come on, this is hacker news . We're all (supposedly) experts. You wouldn't let random membe…

Either the issue is too technical for the electorate, and you don't hold a referendum in the first place, or it's not, and you do, and then you live with the results. What you don't do is try to cancel the referendum if you don't agree with the outcome. That's disingenuous.

And yes, this is Hacker News, but no, I don't think politics can be reduced to technical issues. I'm not British and I don't have an axe to grind regarding Brexit. But it seems reasonable to frame the issue in terms of taking a cut in GDP in order to protect national sovereignty. Which goes to show that the issue goes well beyond economics.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by user5994461 »

sgt101 wrote: post #127
user5994461 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, a 3 bedroom flats is approaching a million dollars. There aren't many of them being built because people couldn't buy them.

If the planning laws were changed and a couple of thousand were built then the market prices would come down. Developers would still turn a profit because the cost of building is ultra dependent on the cost of land in London, which if the planning laws were changed would change.

Buy prices are already slighly down compared to 2 years ago, something to do with Brexit.

There are literally properties being built everywhere. Just take the overground to any direction and look around you. It doesn't make prices go down. There are too many people and too much money.

Re: Preparations companies are making for Brexit

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Post by oblio »

rezeroed wrote: post #75
oblio wrote: post #35

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The thing is, Brexit hasn't even happened yet.

Do you wait until after the event to react to it? Knowing it was coming?

Personally? Probably not. Large groups of people? Quite likely, yes. "Common sense is not that common", and all that :)
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