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Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by coldtea »

devonEnlis wrote: post #148
raspasov wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the fraud product from a one-product-wonder public company Amarin (NASDAQ: AMRN). (see my comment below).

"fraud product" - Do you mean the product that has been FDA approved for 6 years? Is the FDA "in" on the fraud? Is the New England Journal of Medicine in too? Does having one product (that sold $xxx mil last year) make a bad company? Or one that put all of it's chips into this long term outcomes study? (which has now paid off) Why do you care so strongly about this?

>"fraud product" - Do you mean the product that has been FDA approved for 6 years? Is the FDA "in" on the fraud?

No, but something can be both FDA approved and fraud, e.g. snake oil. It just can't be particularly dangerous.

>Why do you care so strongly about this?

Wasn't you who devoted 4-5 arguments to a single comment the parent made? Why add this pop-psychology facile dismissal? What does "care so strongly" even means as an argument?

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by diydsp »

adetrest wrote: post #151
alan_wade wrote: post #114

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Can you recommend any books similar to Ultramind Solution but with more helpful info, in your opinion?

From the amazon page about ultramind: "Three-time New York Timesbestselling author Dr. Mark Hyman unveils his groundbreaking program that shows how we can fix our broken brains by healing our bodies first. Based on the emerging field of Functional Medicine, Dr. Hyman presents a simple six-week plan to restore health and gain an UltraMind, one that's highly focused, able to pay attention at will, has a strong memory,…

without knowing anything about the book, i believe it is possible based on many videos by dr. gregor of NutritionFacts.org. Many nutritional changes, such as eating berries and other antioxidants and cutting saturated fat and cholesterol, and adding whole grains and beans have measurable improvements om the hourly and day scale increasing serotonin and decreasing anxiety. Add a few forms of exercise, fasting and supplements and your mind can be very clear and powerful.

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by jm__87 »

shard wrote: post #128
_arvin wrote: post #115

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You make time.

There's a cost not just in time, but also in willpower. There is some disagreement as to whether willpower is a finite resource or not, but if there is even a partial limitation, then coming up with that willpower needs to be taken into consideration. Also, saying "you make time" is true in such a way that is of little value, as there are a multitude of things you can make time for, such as connecting with your frien…

Exercise is very important. I wouldn't recommend looking at it as something that is optional. It's funny you mention willpower, as there is a book called "The Willpower Instinct" and the author claims that willpower is indeed finite and exercise is one of the best things that can lead to a greater amount of willpower over time. So exercise may be a short term willpower cost but if this author is correct, exercise would lead to a net gain in willpower over the long term.

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by y4mi »

coldtea wrote: post #159
speedplane wrote: post #144

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Tuna is nice and fancy (and expensive). Few eat it every day. Tilapia is cheap, sustainable, and has low mercury. I’m no nutritionist, but what’s the big deal with eating tuna every now and again, but mostly sticking to smaller fish?

> Tuna is nice and fancy (and expensive). Few eat it every day. In which country? Tuna cans and tuna sandwiches and salads are some of the most popular foods in lots of countries. Nothing fancy (tuna is no lobster or caviar) or especially expensive about it. It's available as a Subway sandwich for dog's sake!

you're talking about different things... fresh tuna is pretty expensive. its just the cans that are dirt cheap

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by phkahler »

marktangotango wrote: post #77
dmix wrote: post #67

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The fact fish oil and vitamin d have been touted for couple decades as helping prevent cancer? I remember both my parents taking both regularly growing up in the 90s and they both separately mentioned cancer prevention as the big reasons.

I’m a big believer in fish oil. In my late 30s I experienced a consistent feeling of unwell ness and what I describe as “brain fog” so badly and consistently I went to the dr about it. Turned I had high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Dr wanted me to modify my diet and if it didn’t improve he wanted to put me on statins(!) Fish has never been part of my diet. Started using fish oil, eating Cheerios, vitamins and…

As for the statins... Doc said we had to treat my high cholesterol and triglycerides. I was very reluctant to take statins so she said "OK try red yeast rice for 3 months but if it doesn't improve you're gonna have to take statins". OK. My cholesterol 320->220. My triglycerides 300+ -> 115. It turns out that lovastatin was identified as one of the key molecules in the ancient Chinese remedy.

So that's my one data point, and the only one relevant to me regarding statins.

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by stevespang »

. . . Taking fish oil lowered the risk of heart attack by about 28 percent, which is a "statistically significant" finding, says Dr. JoAnn Manson, who is chief of the division of preventive medicine at the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. She led the research.

African-Americans in the study experienced a 77 percent lower risk of heart attack when compared to placebo, which is a "dramatic reduction," Manson says.

Good levels of essential fatty acids – especially a type of Omega 3 called DHA (docosahexaenoic acid), found in oily fish – are required for development and maintenance of the brain, eyes, immune system, heart, skin, cognition, behaviour, the nervous system and more.

Why these studies do not include ALL the various systems of the functioning human body ? Fatty acids in fish oil (such as DHA only found in fish oil) are super important for proper neurological functioning of the nervous system, read: the human brain, and especially - - - the aging human brain . . . .

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by phkahler »

jryan49 wrote: post #43

So wait, what is disappointing about this: "Taking fish oil lowered the risk of heart attack by about 28 percent, which is a "statistically significant" finding, says Dr. JoAnn Manson, who is chief of the division of preventive medicine at the Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. She led the research." and "African-Americans in the study experienced a 77 percent lower risk of heart attack when compared to placebo,…

Was going to post that first quote along with:

"Overall, they showed that neither fish oil nor vitamin D actually lowered the incidence of heart disease or cancer," Fine says.

So apparently heart disease and heart attacks are two different things. If so, why should we care about heart disease at all?

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by AltruisticGap »

I can't say I noticed a change in mood when taking D3.

However fish oil undeniably reduces dryness in the EYES, with and without contact lenses.

They do sell in pharmacy supplements for eye health, I think targeted at older people, and the dosage of EPA /DHA is very low. I didn't try those so I can't say how much is needed.

I took eg. Life Extension 700/500 epa/dha and for me the effect was 100% reproducible. On a day I took it, my eyes supported the contacts much better in the evening. Without supplements I could feel the difference.

I wish I could say as much about D3. I keep hearing how it's good for winter etc, but even though I am healing TRAUMA and have suffered anxiety for 20+ years before starting therapy.. i never noticed any obvious changes in mood when supplementing with D3 (which was averaging 3000-ish IU per day). I wish! (edit: and, I spend a ton of time indoors, and working on a PC.. so if they did anything I should have noticed?)

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by damontal »

marktangotango wrote: post #77
dmix wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact fish oil and vitamin d have been touted for couple decades as helping prevent cancer? I remember both my parents taking both regularly growing up in the 90s and they both separately mentioned cancer prevention as the big reasons.

I’m a big believer in fish oil. In my late 30s I experienced a consistent feeling of unwell ness and what I describe as “brain fog” so badly and consistently I went to the dr about it. Turned I had high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Dr wanted me to modify my diet and if it didn’t improve he wanted to put me on statins(!) Fish has never been part of my diet. Started using fish oil, eating Cheerios, vitamins and…

What part do you think Cheerios played in this?

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

Chyzwar wrote: post #132
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #4

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Likewise a Vitamin-D deficiency can make your tongue swell a bit. Is it a long term health issue? No. But, is it annoying af to bite your tongue and mess words up, yes it is. Edit: LOL downvotes for a straight up medical fact :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_deficiency Osteoporosis among other symptoms. Swelling tongue is not on the list.

Because Wikipedia is a medical reference.
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