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Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by te_chris »

INTPenis wrote: post #125
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120

Dark-skinned office-working New Yorker here. Neglected blood tests for years. Took a significant other to realise that, every winter, I’d start eating tinned sardines by the caseload. Once I began supplementing, on doctor’s orders after a blood test, the cravings stopped. Guess what’s super-rich in Vitamin D?

Yeah I came here to say this. I'm sure people do take vitamin D to stave off heart disease and cancer but that was never my intention. I live in scandinavia so every autumn I start taking one vitamin D pill a day to keep my spirits up during the long darkness. I believe it helps and I have no illusions of preventing any diseases with it, except winter depression.

Came to say this. I’ve lived in London for 3.5 years and first winter got really depressed - originally from NZ and we have more light. Tried meditation and exercise and it kind of worked, but still not great. Next one and all since just took vit D everyday and the change in mood through winter has been remarkable.

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Post by Chyzwar »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #4
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

Except as fish oil supplements relate to heart attacks (headline is misleading IMHO): > While the overall results were disappointing, there appeared to be a beneficial effect when it came to one aspect of heart disease and fish oil: heart attacks. > Taking fish oil lowered the risk of heart attack by about 28 percent, which is a "statistically significant" finding, says Dr. JoAnn Manson, who is chief of the division…

Likewise a Vitamin-D deficiency can make your tongue swell a bit. Is it a long term health issue? No. But, is it annoying af to bite your tongue and mess words up, yes it is. Edit: LOL downvotes for a straight up medical fact :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_deficiency

Osteoporosis among other symptoms. Swelling tongue is not on the list.

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Post by gns24 »

te_chris wrote: post #131
INTPenis wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I came here to say this. I'm sure people do take vitamin D to stave off heart disease and cancer but that was never my intention. I live in scandinavia so every autumn I start taking one vitamin D pill a day to keep my spirits up during the long darkness. I believe it helps and I have no illusions of preventing any diseases with it, except winter depression.

Came to say this. I’ve lived in London for 3.5 years and first winter got really depressed - originally from NZ and we have more light. Tried meditation and exercise and it kind of worked, but still not great. Next one and all since just took vit D everyday and the change in mood through winter has been remarkable.

What dosage did you take?

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by Matumio »

choot wrote: post #129

Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available. So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people.

Evolution might just have found a way to get people to reproduce before the lack becomes a problem. Most certainly it didn't optimize for age 60 and beyond.

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by shard »

ztjio wrote: post #116
koboll wrote: post #108

"Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." Ah, okay. So instead of taking supplemental Vitamin D, you should get it from natural sources, such as..... foods that ha…

I get your joke but the concern he expresses is only relevant to the Omega-3. In the case of vitamin D, outside of sunlight exposure, supplements are basically your only practical option. Furthermore, the foods mentioned often have it added (milk nearly always does) and so one would want to be aware of that before adding it further from another supplement. At worst, the paragraph is just a poorly constructed catch al…

Here are my concerns with their statement:

First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3?

Second, as far as I know juices are not too great for your health, all the sugars of a large amount of fruit in a quickly absorbable form without the fiber to slow it down. Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. Also, if I remember correctly, cereal had also been deemed not particularly healthy, although I don't recall the details.

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Post by Fnoord »

koboll wrote: post #110
dang wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN's policy is just the opposite. It would be good to know what the guidelines are before calling them absurd! " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait ." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is absolutely a clickbait title. A better one would be something like "Landmark Study On Fish Oil and Vitamin D Shows Fish Oil Reduces Heart Attacks, But Few Other Benefits"

Orig title was: "Vitamin D And Fish Oil Supplements Disappoint In Long-Awaited Study Results"

Current title is: "Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements"

The current title doesn't contain the conclusion which is much more neutral and invites for more reading. The current title is not clickbait.

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by cies »

shard wrote: post #135
ztjio wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your joke but the concern he expresses is only relevant to the Omega-3. In the case of vitamin D, outside of sunlight exposure, supplements are basically your only practical option. Furthermore, the foods mentioned often have it added (milk nearly always does) and so one would want to be aware of that before adding it further from another supplement. At worst, the paragraph is just a poorly constructed catch al…

Here are my concerns with their statement: First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3? Second, as far as I know…

> mercury levels in the fish

Better not to eat fish at all, as one small bit of tuna (for instance) per week already increases the mercury build up in the body.

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/

Also, you can get high DHA omega 3 supplements made from algae.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-...

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by cies »

shard wrote: post #135
ztjio wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your joke but the concern he expresses is only relevant to the Omega-3. In the case of vitamin D, outside of sunlight exposure, supplements are basically your only practical option. Furthermore, the foods mentioned often have it added (milk nearly always does) and so one would want to be aware of that before adding it further from another supplement. At worst, the paragraph is just a poorly constructed catch al…

Here are my concerns with their statement: First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3? Second, as far as I know…

> Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member.

I believe this is only possible when on a diet that's >10cal% fat. When your fat intake is very low (like the fruit binging chimps/utangs/bonobos), and your cells are (thus) properly sensitive to insulin, you will not suffer from lots of sugar in fruit juice. Fibers help making it digest slower, and will reduce the blood sugar spike further, but the main thing is that your cells quickly absorb the blood sugar, for which proper insulin sensitivity is needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRbj3n-1CUM

Re: Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements

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Post by speedplane »

cies wrote: post #139
shard wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are my concerns with their statement: First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3? Second, as far as I know…

> Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. I believe this is only possible when on a diet that's >10cal% fat. When your fat intake is very low (like the fruit binging chimps/utangs/bonobos), and your cells are (thus) properly sensitive to insulin, you will not suffer from lots of sugar in fruit juice. Fibers help making it digest slower, and will reduce…

But why drink juice when you can have the full fruit/vegetable? There is way more fiber, you fill up faster, and often it tastes better.
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