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Yelp craters 30% as advertisers abandon the site

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Re: Yelp craters 30% as advertisers abandon the site

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So now that reddit’s Death has begun, what’s our alternative?

Disclaimer: self-promotion I worked at reddit for almost 4 years, but quit and started a non-profit so I could work on building a site that would be able to stick to the principles I believe are important: no advertising or investors, open-source, privacy, higher-quality content, etc. It's not incredibly active yet since it's in invite-only alpha, but it gets several hundred posts a day and is coming along well. Ther…

I would like to join!

Re: Yelp craters 30% as advertisers abandon the site

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Facebook is the same. Click on messenger on the web app, and it takes you to the play store.

you can still use mbasic.facebook.com to read your fb messages if you need it.

Thanks! Didn't know this existed.

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Mobile browsers should differentiate the style of links with URLs that resolve to apps. I am tired of tapping links expecting to remain in Safari and having useless “open in app?” prompts instead. I’m not IN an app, I’m in a browser; I want to use the browser. And when cancelling the prompt gets you nothing, it really feels like Yelp is screaming “NO SOUP FOR YOU!”.

Reddit keeps asking me if I want to download their app or Open in Safari... regardless of which browser I’m using. Not every iOS user is using Safari!!!!

Whatever I click on those options doesn't donejaat I want, which is to stay on the page im already on. The site is total garbage if you are not logged in to use the personalised settings and it's all over the day old.reddit.com is turned off

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My guess is that it’s harder to block ads on an app. And apps can track more details about you, yielding more revenue (or potential revenue to an acquirer). Investors probably ascribe more value to apps-based services than web-based.

They want your contact list, location, email inbox etc etc, I assume.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reddit.fro...

yep.

Re: Yelp craters 30% as advertisers abandon the site

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There. is. no. evidence. of. this. I'm not sure how otherwise skeptical techy people imagine a conspiracy into reality with nothing to back it up. Don't you think that of the thousands of people who have worked at yelp, that one of them would have spread news about it with their peers? The "shakedowns", floods of negative reviews, sudden filtering, etc. Every single instance is some anecdotal story online, and has ne…

> There. is. no. evidence. of. this. 5 seconds of googling: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhandy/2012/08/16/think-yelp-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/yelp-accused-of-bullying-bu... There are multiple accounts in the same results page, and even in this very page: > Yelp is utter trash. They've shaken down several friends of mine who own and run restaurants. Either you pay for their premium services or a bunch o…

They’re not lying, they’re just attributing a sales call as a cause to some effect they only started paying attention to after the call, or they do get shaken down by a third party who targets them. Try registering a domain, your phone number on the Whois info, and the search rank shakedowns from scummy SEO services will start rolling in, calling themselves variations of “Google Search Advisors” threatening your site’s placement unless you pay. Some folks actually believe these calls are from google, and I’d expect people who own restaurants are targeted similarly, are much less techie and much less accustomed to these scams.

Then there’s also the effect of people not paying attention to their ratings in an objective way and immediately after the call start attributing any event that follows to the call.

And then of course there are folks who get a sales call after their first few reviews, as their business is picking up, and as that volume picks up some more critical folks show up and organically give negative reviews.

I don’t consider a blog post about someone who’s relaying something they say they heard from their friends to be evidence. I’d believe it if they collected data both before and after the call in an objective and consistent way.

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On iOS and now newer versions of Android you are able to individually grant and revoke permissions. What information are you expecting them to extract via the app that you can't block?

My phone uses android 8.1 API. I know about granular permissions but in practice this does not always work. For example the PlayMemories app from Sony - to use with Sony digital cameras - does not open at all (actually it opens to tell you to give the permission and doesn't do anything else) unless you give it location permissions. Why do I need to tell my location to an app whose use is to wirelessly grab the pictur…

Because location can be ascertained from BLE and wifi scanning, Android classifies the use of those things as location services.

So it's not exactly that Sony wants or is even asking for your location, it's Google telling you that if you give the sony app the BLE or wifi scanning functionality it wants, it would be possible for them to figure out where you're at.

That warning means they could, and so google is telling you, not that they are.

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I don't have any sympathy for a site that purposely cripples the web mobile site to force you to install their app. They lock you out of pictures after around 20 so you have to go to desktop or install their crappy app. Yelp will not be missed.

I think one of the most interesting/telling user experience things in the industry today is why people feel so strongly about not installing apps. It seems like it spans most people, from novice users all the way to technology experts. Personally, I've never understood it, since nearly every mobile website is terrible. I prefer installing the app. Seems like a key problem for mobile OS vendors to solve. If you don't…

Websites, by the very nature of living in a (more or less) content-neutral browser, are better behaved.

On-page search, copy-and-paste, and bookmarking deep in the content come for free.

The back button will behave predictably.

The browser engine has had a lot of bulletproofing on it; by comparison a lot of apps are unstable.

Updates are completely automatic- no "here's a 500mb update you won't get until weeks from now when you get to a Wifi hotspot."

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What do you use instead?

This might not be helpful, but I decided to rely on serendipity. Sometimes I feel like we think too much about finding the best of the 'best' and we rely on expert opinions of the crowd instead of taking a chance ourselves and trying out new things.

When Im traveling out of the country, I just walk around at meal time until I find a spot with locals waiting in line out the door. Hop in line, watch what the people ahead of you order, and then get the same. Every once and a while I'll get something that I don't enjoy, but 8/10 times you end up with super tasty food you may not have otherwise tried.

Re: Yelp craters 30% as advertisers abandon the site

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So now that reddit’s Death has begun, what’s our alternative?

Disclaimer: self-promotion I worked at reddit for almost 4 years, but quit and started a non-profit so I could work on building a site that would be able to stick to the principles I believe are important: no advertising or investors, open-source, privacy, higher-quality content, etc. It's not incredibly active yet since it's in invite-only alpha, but it gets several hundred posts a day and is coming along well. Ther…

Hey, I'd like an invite please. Also I would be interested in discussing your philosophy with you. I run a similar "startup". We have 2 apps in the social recommendations area (currently focused on maps/places). One is a mobile app in private beta atm. You can sign up for an invite once we go public here: BIBIMAPP.COM. The other is a crowd source mapping app. It's very rough atm and we haven't promoted it at all but you can find it here : mapbeet.bibimapp.com. Feel free to reach out to me on the email in my profile.
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