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The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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> at a certain point the consumer doesn’t want to buy an apple the size of a grapefruit Um... yes I do. Is the Honeycrisp itself not sufficient proof that apple growers have had absolutely no clue about what consumers really wanted, for decades? In the same vein, where have all the honkin' big seeded watermelons gone? You remember those, back when they had big black seeds, and actual flavor ? Don't blame the consumer…

Do you have any idea what edible mutualists you could grow with them? I'd bet there is a fungus meant for the rootbed. Having trouble intuiting much beyond that though. I agree with what you're trying to communicate, I think, but my anecdote from yesterday disagrees with size. I looked at the massive honey crisp on my counter (around a softball's size), but didn't want to have to cut it in half.

I want apples that I can fit three in my mouth at a time, that squish like grapes. I want apples bigger than my head, that I can pop into the oven whole, then cut off the top and spoon out the flesh like custard. I want apples that crunch when I bite them. I want apples that splat when I throw them. I want apples that taste like cherries. I want apples that taste like pears. I want apples that taste like different kinds of apple when you bite opposite sides of the fruit. I want apples that stay the same color when you cut them up. I want apples that are already fermenting by the time you get them home. I want apples that shrivel up all winter into little wrinkly apple-raisins, and then still taste fine in spring.

What I don't want is one apple that's one size fits all. Because the last variety they tried for that was Red Delicious, and it is the worst named variety of apple I have ever eaten. The only way to get worse is to try naturally pollinated grown-from-seed apples, and even then you have to be very unlucky with your pick.

Apple farmers tend to graft the variety clones onto dwarfing rootstock, to control for height and branching, so it's likely that any mutual crop would work just as well for any kind of apple. I seem to recall that someone was trying to get truffle to grow in apple orchards, but I don't remember seeing anything about it actually being successful.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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post #20

1. Pink Lady > Honeycrisp (though Honeycrisp is very good). 2. "The Honeycrisp variety is now so popular, consumers will spend three times the cost of other apples to experience it." Wow, I'm thankful I live in Oregon. Our local grocery store has about 10 varieties of apples on sale and Honeycrisp are usually no more expensive than other varieties.

Absolutely agreed. One thing I've noticed though is that they are harder to find for some reason. The stores near me have gallons of red delicious, gala, fuji, and granny smith. Honeycrisp is a nice find, and pink ladies I have to remember where I bought. Do people really like those common garbage apples, or just buy them because they are cheaper?

Good article on the worst apple: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/the-evil-...

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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Target has 3lb bags of honeycrips at consistently low prices $2ish/lb. It is because they're smaller apples than what you get in the "pile-o-apples". But this works great for us because we have small kids and they can't eat a huge honeycrisp anyway.

If you really like a big honeycrisp but are more price conscious, I think the Braeburn is a damn close comparison for a much more reasonable price. And they're available at all the stores around me in Iowa. Just stick with the ones that still have a fair bit of yellow/green spackle and not too much or too deep of the red color. Too much red ends up being slightly less crisp with much less tartness. That is kind of true with honeycrisp but it is really true with Braeburn.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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1. Pink Lady > Honeycrisp (though Honeycrisp is very good). 2. "The Honeycrisp variety is now so popular, consumers will spend three times the cost of other apples to experience it." Wow, I'm thankful I live in Oregon. Our local grocery store has about 10 varieties of apples on sale and Honeycrisp are usually no more expensive than other varieties.

Yes, Pink Lady FTW, very cheap in Oregon supermarkets and better than Honeycrips. Also good: Sweet Tango but a bit spendy.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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I have childhood memories of going into the woods around the park to pick blackberries. The flavors to be found in good blackberries are pretty sublime. The other day, I bought a container of blackberries. Somehow, they had been reduced to bloated, flavorless bags of purple sugar water. (I suspect this is why they were a sale item.)

Altering plants for better taste does have a place.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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post #20

1. Pink Lady > Honeycrisp (though Honeycrisp is very good). 2. "The Honeycrisp variety is now so popular, consumers will spend three times the cost of other apples to experience it." Wow, I'm thankful I live in Oregon. Our local grocery store has about 10 varieties of apples on sale and Honeycrisp are usually no more expensive than other varieties.

Absolutely agreed. One thing I've noticed though is that they are harder to find for some reason. The stores near me have gallons of red delicious, gala, fuji, and granny smith. Honeycrisp is a nice find, and pink ladies I have to remember where I bought. Do people really like those common garbage apples, or just buy them because they are cheaper?

If there's an Aldi in your area, that's where I find mine.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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I have childhood memories of going into the woods around the park to pick blackberries. The flavors to be found in good blackberries are pretty sublime. The other day, I bought a container of blackberries. Somehow, they had been reduced to bloated, flavorless bags of purple sugar water. (I suspect this is why they were a sale item.) Altering plants for better taste does have a place.

Yea Blackberries to me are the definition of hit or miss, They are either bland and bitter or absolutely delicious with little middle ground.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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Variety and regional specialty are good! This article seems to be complaining that things grow well in one place and not another place. Breed your own apples then!

There aren't any apples besides honeycrisp that I know I like for eating out of hand. The market wants better produce all around and most things you find these days were bred for qualities that are good for the supply chain instead of the taste and health of the consumer.

If the apples everybody likes don't grow well in your climate, fund research into finding new varieties that do.

There's no "curse". The best things will not suit everybody's tastes or needs. In fact it's a pretty good indicator that you're doing something right if some people really don't like it.

Re: The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple

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1. Pink Lady > Honeycrisp (though Honeycrisp is very good). 2. "The Honeycrisp variety is now so popular, consumers will spend three times the cost of other apples to experience it." Wow, I'm thankful I live in Oregon. Our local grocery store has about 10 varieties of apples on sale and Honeycrisp are usually no more expensive than other varieties.

Pink lady better than Honeycrisp? Pink lady's are okay but they are less sweet, not as crunchy and much more dense then a Honeycrisp. Also Honeycrisp are not that expensive if you buy them on sale, just got some for $1.85 a pound in Minneapolis.

>they are less sweet, not as crunchy and much more dense then a Honeycrisp

Exactly. That is why Pink Lady > Honeycrisp

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