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Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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we didn't. the issue is that "we" has been moving, fairly quickly, from the techies or business workers that used to primarily use the internet to, basically, everyone from soccer moms to preteens/teens to grandmas. grandma doesn't need your totally sweet amazon ec3 backup tool, she wants to keep in touch with the family and look at their pictures and such. teenagers mostly want to keep up with their friends and be s…

This "(hopefully someday)" part scares me. And the fact that its in brackets and not that talked about scares me even more.

i don't talk about it because it has nothing to do with this topic. thats more in the vein of how to build good software, niche analysis, and monetization.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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Don't believe the hype. Right now everyone is talking about facebook, social software, and what have you. But most of these sites aren't making any money, and they never will. It's basically a really crowded market with no clear income model unless you're really big. Find a niche that hasn't been exploited and create software that solves a problem in that niche. B2B is probably the best place to look - if you can com…

mixmax, I'd give you 10 upvotes if I could.

For anyone not all that familiar with "B2B", reread mixmax's post again. Every word. It's going onto my bulletin board.

The demand so outstrips the supply, that anyone writing good software has tremendous opportunities here. Thanks, mixmax, for reminding us of what is so easily forgotten these days.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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Well everything "social" certainly has a very large mindshare and buzzshare nowadays. This is due to very nature of social apps and also due to the fact "social" apps are relatively new. The buzz of social apps is also much greater in the developer community since the basic ideas are something that everyone understands. Not every developer will be able to talk about hospital software for example but every Joe can tal…

You certainly can make a lot of money by building useful non-social software. It just wont be as visible or talked about.

Precisely. The original submitter's friend is thinking one of two things, alone or in combination:

1. "If I take this useful app and add some social networking, it will help to market itself, which means it will sell more copies faster. Maybe it will even go viral and I can quit my day job!"

2. "Given the choice between building an app that is useful but obscure and being visible and talked about, I'd rather be notorious."

Point 1 is sometimes right, but often wrong. There are lots of tools that require a more traditional style of sales and marketing... and that have no use for tacked-on social networking features.

Point 2, while not exactly wrong, is a different objective than simply making money or improving people's lives.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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post #4

Don't believe the hype. Right now everyone is talking about facebook, social software, and what have you. But most of these sites aren't making any money, and they never will. It's basically a really crowded market with no clear income model unless you're really big. Find a niche that hasn't been exploited and create software that solves a problem in that niche. B2B is probably the best place to look - if you can com…

Any advice for how to learn about these markets, for the 20 somethings out there that can't immediately relate to this stuff?

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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I wonder if it's because our generation rarely pays for software (since we've grown up in a culture with Napster, Gnutella, and BitTorrent). We expect to get every type of software for free. So the thought of developing software you charge for is foreign to us, even though that's where the majority of revenue in the industry comes from.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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Most apps labeled "social" these days should probably be labeled as "consumer", meaning they are intended to do "business" directly with the public.

Consumer websites have one of the lowest barriers to entry in the history of business. You don't have to know anyone, don't have to get a permit, don't have to do anything at all besides make your website and put it online. That's why they are popular to start and stories about them generate so much hype.

Consider this from another perspective for a moment, possibly your friend's perspective. Someone you know made something that you think is really cool and useful, but it probably isn't going to go anywhere. Trying to sell the "B2B" route requires connections, years of industry experience and nice suits. Odds are that neither of you have any of those things (or else I'd assume you'd be using them)

But what you can do is build a consumer app and hope the "social" side gains popularity. The very small chance of it becoming "the next facebook" (or insert ridiculously lofty goal inspired by dhh here) is probably about equal to the odds you'll be able to develop the B2B connections you need to do a good job of selling the product. Business relationships and reputation generally take years to develop and B2B customers are very demanding. It's theoretically possible (but unlikely) that a consumer app will be an "overnight sensation". That almost never, ever happens with B2B apps.

Lastly, we all want useful software. We just tend to talk about consumer software here on hackernews because that's the game we've chosen to play. I'm sure there are far, far less interesting sites out there devoted to B2B software hacking if you look for them.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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Don't believe the hype. Right now everyone is talking about facebook, social software, and what have you. But most of these sites aren't making any money, and they never will. It's basically a really crowded market with no clear income model unless you're really big. Find a niche that hasn't been exploited and create software that solves a problem in that niche. B2B is probably the best place to look - if you can com…

People are making millions with innovative business software. Stuff that keeps hospital records, does simulations for the DoD, coordinates sales representatives, facilitates B2B, or CRM, or whatever. The stuff making real money just has relatively very low visibility from the web. Most of these companies are small, private, and almost entirely owned by, like, three people. The founders come from industry and have zer…

It isn't accurate to say that "most" of these companies are small, private and owned by 3 people. Most of them are huge gigantic companies like IBM global services or Oracle or Microsoft Consulting. The ones that are small are always worried that a huge consulting firm is going to move into their market.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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we didn't. the issue is that "we" has been moving, fairly quickly, from the techies or business workers that used to primarily use the internet to, basically, everyone from soccer moms to preteens/teens to grandmas. grandma doesn't need your totally sweet amazon ec3 backup tool, she wants to keep in touch with the family and look at their pictures and such. teenagers mostly want to keep up with their friends and be s…

" teenagers mostly want to keep up with their friends and be social."

Or, as JWZ put it: "How will this software get my users laid?"

http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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post #4

Don't believe the hype. Right now everyone is talking about facebook, social software, and what have you. But most of these sites aren't making any money, and they never will. It's basically a really crowded market with no clear income model unless you're really big. Find a niche that hasn't been exploited and create software that solves a problem in that niche. B2B is probably the best place to look - if you can com…

Any advice for how to learn about these markets, for the 20 somethings out there that can't immediately relate to this stuff?

Start networking. Talk to your parents, your friends, your friends' parents, your parents' friends, and anyone else who you can sit down with for 30 minutes. That should be plenty of time to listen to someone complain about their problems, and from that you should be able to make a list of possible business ideas. Then all you have to do is research them and figure out which one, if any, are viable.

Re: Ask YC: When did we stop wanting useful software?

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I wouldn't use the word "useful" per se. Social Networking does fill a need and is useful to a bunch of people. What I'd like to see is more incentive and recognition to those who push boundaries, whether it's in what the application does or how it was built. Like someone said earlier, many of those apps exist, but they get buried in the hype that social networks, etc get these days.
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