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To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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On observers creating the universe, I’ve sometimes wondered if given the simulation hypothesis, that simulating quantum mechanics is so computationally expensive that it isn’t done unless we’re looking at it, and that the high energy levels required to probe smaller and smaller length scales is an artifact of the computational requirements of simulating it.

Simulating the Mandelbrot set is also awfully computationally expensive. Unless you know the trick.

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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> The faster you go, the slower time goes. If you could go as fast as light, you’d see time come to a halt and disappear. No, you wouldn't. Someone observing you would. Am I getting relativity wrong?

You are getting relativity wrong. The layman phrase being used here 'time come to a halt and disappear' encodes what would happen from a relativity perspective. Everything that you would be seeing relative to you, would appear as if time had stopped if you were traveling at c.

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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I'm by no means an expert, but how about using Pilot Wave Theory to do the simulation? As I understand, you wouldn't need to simulate an exponential number of states, you just simulate the pilot wave. See also (very accessible): https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-more-physicists-subscribe-to-...

You must simulate the value of the wave at every point of the universe, or at least a grid that has enough points to have the correct precision. It's even more work. Imagine simulating all the waves in all the ocean in the Earth, but worse because there are some nonlocality effects. You can probably do some kind of smart representation of the wave, were you decompose it in some smart functional base of smooth waves.…

> You must simulate the value of the wave at every point of the universe

Maybe I'm not getting it, but that still sounds simpler than simulating an exponential number of states for the entire universe.

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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> The faster you go, the slower time goes. If you could go as fast as light, you’d see time come to a halt and disappear. No, you wouldn't. Someone observing you would. Am I getting relativity wrong?

You are getting relativity wrong. The layman phrase being used here 'time come to a halt and disappear' encodes what would happen from a relativity perspective. Everything that you would be seeing relative to you, would appear as if time had stopped if you were traveling at c.

Not so fast :) Your own time would not "come to a halt and disappear", would it? If something travels with you at the same speed it would not get frozen in time. So, "everything that you would be seeing" is a bit too inclusive.

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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On observers creating the universe, I’ve sometimes wondered if given the simulation hypothesis, that simulating quantum mechanics is so computationally expensive that it isn’t done unless we’re looking at it, and that the high energy levels required to probe smaller and smaller length scales is an artifact of the computational requirements of simulating it.

That's an interesting thought. It it's true, it seems to have some implications: * Whoever is running the simulation cares about whether we're looking. * They had a good reason for going with quantum mechanics rather than something that would be easier to simulate. I know some people would say that's because they're interested in simulating conscious life and quantum mechanics is essential for consciousness. However,…

Perhaps our bodies are a shell for their consciousness. That's why they're so interested in "our" observations. We are the VR headset for them.

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are getting relativity wrong. The layman phrase being used here 'time come to a halt and disappear' encodes what would happen from a relativity perspective. Everything that you would be seeing relative to you, would appear as if time had stopped if you were traveling at c.

Not so fast :) Your own time would not "come to a halt and disappear", would it? If something travels with you at the same speed it would not get frozen in time. So, "everything that you would be seeing" is a bit too inclusive.

Here is what I've found to be the most intuitive way to think about it: everything is always moving at the speed of light through spacetime. When you move through space you are not changing the magnitude of your velocity (through spacetime) at all, only the direction. So the faster you move through space, the slower you move through time. If your velocity through space is v (relative to some reference) then your velocity through time is sqrt(1-(v/c)^2) seconds (from your point of view) per second (from the point of view of the reference against which you are measuring your velocity through space). When v=c, then you are moving through time at zero seconds (from your point of view) per second (from any point of view moving at <c). So your time never advances. You get where you are going (and everywhere in between) at the same time that you left (from your point of view).

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must simulate the value of the wave at every point of the universe, or at least a grid that has enough points to have the correct precision. It's even more work. Imagine simulating all the waves in all the ocean in the Earth, but worse because there are some nonlocality effects. You can probably do some kind of smart representation of the wave, were you decompose it in some smart functional base of smooth waves.…

> You must simulate the value of the wave at every point of the universe Maybe I'm not getting it, but that still sounds simpler than simulating an exponential number of states for the entire universe.

Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave_theory#Mathematical...

The problem is that if you have five particles then the function ψ(r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, t) is a function on 3*5+1=15 coordinates. If we assume that for each particle we use a 100x100x100=1000000 grid, then for the 5 particles we need a grid of (1000000)^5=1000000000000000000000000000000 points. The space were the wave is defined grows exponentially. (As a rule of thumb, with a current notebook, you can do up to 1000000000 or 1000000000000 calculations in a few seconds/minutes/hours.)

Re: To John Wheeler, the race to explain time was personal

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I was lucky enough to have met John Wheeler when I was in grad school. He was a wonderful man who radiated joy and curiosity. My favorite anecdote about him, which was not widely known, involved what used to be called "nut letters." Before the internet, if you were a famous scientist, particularly a famous physicist, you would receive actual letters from people all over the world asking for help with their perpetual…

My colleagues and I used to get these "nut letters" occasionally even as unknown grad students. They were quite a treat to read: the human imagination is a marvel, and curiosity knows no bounds. If they'd taken slightly different paths than they had, some probably would have even been with my colleagues reading those letters instead of writing them.

This reminds me of a run-in we had with a 'nut'. She had looked up the lab on campus and walked in asking for the PI. After some back-and-forth, she mentions that she had been emailing with our PI for a while concerning the government implanted mind-reading device in her brother's brain (I was in a neuro-lab at the time). Without missing a beat, one of the other grad students starts questioning her about the device: when is it active, what is the range, power requirements, etc. She, as a layperson, really has no idea. After some probing about her brother's condition (likely her own condition, but who knows) we get her to accept that the power output of the device would be very tiny and that the government's receivers can't be more than a few meters away at any time. She seemed very satisfied with this conclusion. I think there were some mentions of Faraday cages too that she liked. At the end she mentions that her brother is a schizophrenic but that the medications don't work. Another grad student then took over and started to talk with her about how schizophrenia was thought to behave and the importance of proper medical supervision, but this occurred in another room. After some more time, the 'nut' came back to thank us for talking with her and taking her concerns seriously. She seemed very relieved at the conclusions and was smiling. We never saw her again and I don't think anyone mentioned it to the PI either.
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