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What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by robodale »

dev_north_east wrote: post #133
smashedtoatoms wrote: post #73

I’m in the process of porting a bunch of go code to dotnet core 2.1 on AWS lambda. I’m on a Mac using vscode. I never installed mono, just the dotnet sdk. Honestly, I’ve been amazed at how good the tools have been. For cli and serverless dev, it’s been surprisingly great. It’s fast. C# is decent. The cold starts are not as fast as go, but not terrible. Memory usage is low. It’s been a legitimately positive experience…

As someone eager to start (properly) learning C#, is doing so on Mac actually viable? It sounds like it from your post but would be eager to hear your thoughts (I only have a Mac at home to practice on).

I'm using a 2015 Macbook Air + vscode. Builds are fast, easy to debug code, even spinning up a local webserver to test my .NET MVC web app goes fast enough.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by [deleted] »

BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #87
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities The problem is often trust. Like so many Microsoft projects, to me the goal of .Net Core seems to be to get as much people as possible on to a proprietary language and/or get as many devs as possible onto developing stuff that doesn't hurt Microsoft. There's no guarantee that MS will not pull the plug at som…

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Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by hizanberg »

BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #87
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities The problem is often trust. Like so many Microsoft projects, to me the goal of .Net Core seems to be to get as much people as possible on to a proprietary language and/or get as many devs as possible onto developing stuff that doesn't hurt Microsoft. There's no guarantee that MS will not pull the plug at som…

Also why I don't see .NET Core going anywhere, it's controlled by the same old Microsoft who have a massive conflict of interest for directing everyone to use their preferred libraries and services. Unlike every other popular language which is typically developed with a transparent independent governance model whose direction benefit all libraries and services equally, instead of giving their own preferential treatment.

A good language is only part of what makes it appealing, having a large diverse open community is often more important as it ensures mature bindings are quickly available for new technologies and 3rd party API's, it influences whether the language will be used to create new technologies (instead of just playing catch up and making clones of what's in other languages), whether libraries are able to succeed on merit so it doesn't discourage the community to invest in developing a variety of competitive options and whether there will be an active community available to quickly answer questions and resolve issues.

.NET Core will never have the community of other popular languages, unless you're happy to use Azure and want to be locked into using Microsoft technologies there are much better platforms to risk your business on instead of committing to one whose future is controlled by self-serving interests.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by bunderbunder »

meddlepal wrote: post #129
MarvelousWololo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm complete new to C# and Java but I'm looking into them to choose a new language to learn. I'm mostly worried about memory consumption since I often use a cheap $5 VPS. Would you happen to know which one would be a better fit for my use case? Thank you.

If you want to be on the JVM I highly recommend giving Kotlin a look before Java. Great language and excellent tooling.

I would go so far as to argue that Kotlin is the JVM's real equivalent to C#. The syntax is different, but language semantics are much more similar.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by mrweasel »

gaius wrote: post #84
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

primarily Azure which is by all measures inferior to the other two and they don't even know. That's a really weird thing to say, by what measures do you mean? In terms of market share, they are AWS, then Azure, then a big gap, then Google. In terms of maturity of the managed services, it's Azure, then AWS, then Google. Google in particular has a lot of "tickbox" features just to say they have them but when you drill…

I would not call Azure managed services mature across the board. Some of them are excellent, others are broken in weird little ways.

The web portal is the best example, you can't use that with just one browser. Some things only works in Chrome, others are only broken in Chrome.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by cies »

nicoburns wrote: post #127
MarvelousWololo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm complete new to C# and Java but I'm looking into them to choose a new language to learn. I'm mostly worried about memory consumption since I often use a cheap $5 VPS. Would you happen to know which one would be a better fit for my use case? Thank you.

If you're worried about memory usage, then neither is great (C# is a little better than Java), you may want to look into Go or Rust.

In this list we also have D and Swift. Good on yr mem, general purpose-y (Go is not a GP lang), quite popular.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by what-the-grump »

oblio wrote: post #85
arethuza wrote: post #81

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I'd be surprised if many organisations pay the full price for Visual Studio Enterprise - certainly a former employer of mine (a pretty large company) didn't pay anything like the list price for any of the MS development tools.

Let's say they get it at an 80% discount. VS Enterprise apparently is now available only though a cloud subscription worth ~$3000 per year so it would still be ~$600. Resharper is $299/$239/$179 (1st/2nd/3rd year). And this is a scenario where your company can get an 80% discount (not sure this is doable) plus Resharper has a perpetual license you can keep after 1 year, just without updates.

You get a little more than just VS with that subscription... Access to dev/test pricing in azure and all the software to test on is huge. Plus whatever else...

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by alistairSH »

dev_north_east wrote: post #133
smashedtoatoms wrote: post #73

I’m in the process of porting a bunch of go code to dotnet core 2.1 on AWS lambda. I’m on a Mac using vscode. I never installed mono, just the dotnet sdk. Honestly, I’ve been amazed at how good the tools have been. For cli and serverless dev, it’s been surprisingly great. It’s fast. C# is decent. The cold starts are not as fast as go, but not terrible. Memory usage is low. It’s been a legitimately positive experience…

As someone eager to start (properly) learning C#, is doing so on Mac actually viable? It sounds like it from your post but would be eager to hear your thoughts (I only have a Mac at home to practice on).

Yes. VS Code is probably the easy button to get started. With a few plugins, it's ready to write, build, and debug C# projects.

I haven't built any production code in VS Code or .Net Core yet, but have started analysis for converting legacy .Net applications. I've also had interns doing some prototype work in .Net Core using VS Code, both on Macs and PCs. So far, so good.

I also used VS Code to do some React development. That worked out well also.

At this point, I'm hoping to get the legacy solutions converted in the next year or two, ditch my MSDN subscription, and move to VS Code full-time. Right now, I'm on a Mac, and running VS in VMWare.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by lockje »

kankroc wrote: post #120
MarvelousWololo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm complete new to C# and Java but I'm looking into them to choose a new language to learn. I'm mostly worried about memory consumption since I often use a cheap $5 VPS. Would you happen to know which one would be a better fit for my use case? Thank you.

If your end game is working professionally just check what is more in demand in your geographic location. Personal opinion C# is a lot better than Java. You have less boilerplate code (getter and setter in 2018, really?) and lambdas are great. But really both are similar so you can pretty much just start with one and still find your way in the other.

Honestly, people still using the getter and setter argument in 2018 as a reason to pick a language should not be taken seriously.

Indeed Java has more boilerplate, but honestly I've never been bothered by it (as you can generate most within your IDE) and because its explicitly written down it can make code more readable.

And Java also has lambda's.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by CodesInChaos »

euroclydon wrote: post #94
bonesss wrote: post #69

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My personal opinion is that people are sleeping on local HTML apps. Local files, if you want, make everything lightning fast. Hosting your own web-browser lets you hook into whatever you want, and handle it however you want. A local server makes hosting whatever you want simple, too. There's a pre-existing plugin and component model for serving rich content... Every knows HTML and CSS, and sharding off chunks of the…

It's probably less secure by default. Make sure to reject all HTTP requests where the Origin header doesn't match the local server host, or just all request with an Origin header.

What you really need is a shared secret between (embedded) browser and (local) server.

IP, host header, origin header can be checked as defense in depth, but can't prevent local privilege escalation from non browser clients and are quite fragile even in browsers.

(or use a secure non TCP/IP based communication channel)

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