For anyone in Australia, it would be cheaper to pay them to put the data on a HDD, wrap it in bacon and hand deliver it - rather than download the torrent.
The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
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Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine at least somebody will download to a server and host them all there. Might grab a new 1TB drive into one of my servers and do it if I'm bored enough...
I've been doing that for the last 12 months, and the collection is significantly larger than that. http://www.reocities.com/
I checked, my very first website is thus far not there. I'll wait until you're finished, and if it doesn't appear I can send the offline backup. I've been carting it around for 10 years, laughing at the animated graphics and frames.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I think the web is probably a better place with reocities than without it, slapping ads on this content feels a tad bit slimy to me. I'm curious to hear your take on the ethical and legal implications of it.
The ads are actually a boost for a HN'er. And let's suppose for a second that they were not (as they have not been in the past), reocities has cost a fairly large amount of money to date (instead of made money, as you suggest), not a single person that has asked me to remove the content has ever commented on the presence of the ads, and neither has anybody that has found their stuff again because I backed it up. On t…
This is from the Google stable of morals - if people don't know you're profiting from their copyright then it's OK.
Presumably you have no legal right to redistribute any of the Geocities stuff?
The fact you spent time and money on it is neither here nor there, that's not a moral|legal argument. Presumably there have been some exceptions (you intimate that), what sort of percentage does that amount to? If you calculate that as a true reflection of the whole population then how many people's copyright do you suppose you've infringed, knowingly, against their wishes?
If someone takes your published material and slaps ads on it and republishes without your knowledge is that all good with you? (I'm guessing you may say yes here!).
It's not just about economics, it's probably as much about moral rights. People believe that their Geocities content died and was buried.
Of course they are pretty minor "offences" (or at least appears so) across a large population - akin to being a spammer or somesuch. Actually scratch that this is simply like copying others blog posts on a massive scale.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#34I like the concept of "Digital Heritage" as they call it.
I think preserving digital heritage may become an important issue in the next few years. As the world begins to recognize the historic legacy of the web, it may someday become as important as preserving physical historical landmarks.
Its time to accept that the internet may be the greatest legacy 21st century civilization leaves behind. It likely isn't going anywhere, and is the most complete archive of our lives, that may live on for generations after we're dead.
For all we know, the things we type here could be preserved longer than the pyramids of giza should someone make sure to back it up regularly. I hope that someone does.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been doing that for the last 12 months, and the collection is significantly larger than that. http://www.reocities.com/
While I think the web is probably a better place with reocities than without it, slapping ads on this content feels a tad bit slimy to me. I'm curious to hear your take on the ethical and legal implications of it.
It is digital archeology. The content was as good as gone, just someone dug it up and put a big banner ad over it and selling lemonade on the side.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#36For anyone in Australia, it would be cheaper to pay them to put the data on a HDD, wrap it in bacon and hand deliver it - rather than download the torrent.
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Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ads are actually a boost for a HN'er. And let's suppose for a second that they were not (as they have not been in the past), reocities has cost a fairly large amount of money to date (instead of made money, as you suggest), not a single person that has asked me to remove the content has ever commented on the presence of the ads, and neither has anybody that has found their stuff again because I backed it up. On t…
This is from the Google stable of morals - if people don't know you're profiting from their copyright then it's OK. Presumably you have no legal right to redistribute any of the Geocities stuff? The fact you spent time and money on it is neither here nor there, that's not a moral|legal argument. Presumably there have been some exceptions (you intimate that), what sort of percentage does that amount to? If you calcula…
> Actually scratch that this is simply like copying others blog posts on a massive scale.
No, this is saving those blog posts from extinction.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#38Wow. This site is amazing. Tons of gems: http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/
Was under construction the first web meme? All these people couldn't have arrived at the same metaphor individually (as obvious as it is).
Hard to say if it was the first or not. It may have been "Here's my list of interesting web pages (most of them were probably links to other peoples lists of interesting pages, very recursive.)" I don't think the word meme existed then either.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is from the Google stable of morals - if people don't know you're profiting from their copyright then it's OK. Presumably you have no legal right to redistribute any of the Geocities stuff? The fact you spent time and money on it is neither here nor there, that's not a moral|legal argument. Presumably there have been some exceptions (you intimate that), what sort of percentage does that amount to? If you calcula…
> Actually scratch that this is simply like copying others blog posts on a massive scale. No, this is saving those blog posts from extinction.
I copied my content from Geocities to another provider and then on to my own site (eventually). I'm sure I'm not alone. Very little of that content is still live anywhere but there is a little I think.
Also, why do you get to be the arbiter of whether others content can be allowed to disappear or not? If I own the copyright then it's within my rights to have all copies destroyed, for example, you secretly (as you've not notified copyright holders AFAICT) keeping a copy is infringing my moral right to control that work.
Re: The Geocities Torrent (~1TB of awesomeness)
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was under construction the first web meme? All these people couldn't have arrived at the same metaphor individually (as obvious as it is).
Hard to say if it was the first or not. It may have been "Here's my list of interesting web pages (most of them were probably links to other peoples lists of interesting pages, very recursive.)" I don't think the word meme existed then either.
The word was coined in 1976 by Richard Dawkins, but I don't know when it became well known.